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Post by soyboy on Dec 21, 2008 15:29:17 GMT -6
It strikes me that I've never actually seen anything printed regarding DP's thoughts on Trish Stratus - I'd like to read those thoughts...
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Post by krull on Dec 21, 2008 18:13:56 GMT -6
Your wishful thinking doesn't take into consideration that the WWE prefers to have veteran wrestlers job to the models so at least the wrestler can carry the model to a halfway decent match and the wrestler still jobs. That's what Jillian Hall has been doing from the moment they took that thing off her face. They don't understand that just winning a match doesn't make that model a credible wrestler. When they put two models in a match, it's always a train wreck. They vow never to do that again but they have short memories. Does this make Hulk Hogan a Diva? |
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Post by frankp316 on Dec 21, 2008 19:21:34 GMT -6
That has more to do with the WWF style than Hogan himself. He could be a good wrestler when he had to be like when he went to Japan.
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Post by atulokie on Dec 22, 2008 4:13:25 GMT -6
WWE has no real womens division, tag division, or cruiser weight division. They also don't have wrestlers. I'm just saying.
All they have is heavy weight singles matches, where 90% of the roster is not allowed to participate meaningfully in the matches.
If you go to the events you will notice that all the wrestlers bizarrely wrestle while constantly trying to face the fixed camera in a completely unnatural fashion on every move. Great for TV I suppose but very staged looking.
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Post by frankp316 on Dec 22, 2008 6:14:50 GMT -6
That's irrelevant to this discussion. Not very good for a first post. The discussion at hand is that fans with low standards want us to believe that untrained model X has improved in the ring. My point is that untrained model X has improved enough to be terrible in the ring but it's unrealistic to expect any of them to ever be good. You have to face facts. The WWE has hired these untrained models to appear in Playboy and training them to wrestle and giving them an unwarranted push makes any of them more attractive to Playboy. That's what this is about. And they're also cheaper than wrestlers.
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Post by subiestraight99 on Dec 22, 2008 7:57:53 GMT -6
I try not to get excited about anything the WWE does in the women's division because chances are that it will be disappointing. The only thing the WWE is doing well is having Beth Phoenix hold the women's title and keep it for longer than a couple of months, and giving her the push she's getting. The women's division on Smackdown is really disappointing, but I do believe the right person is holding that butterfly Diva's belt. I don't even want women with Nattie and Victoria's talent to hold that belt. They deserve to be fighting for the women's champ belt on Raw, but I understand what their purposes are on SD. I was excited about Nattie being on WWE TV, but after watching her having to job to the likes of Maria and those cheating Bella twins, I'm not excited about it anymore. The only time I watch a women's match on SD is to see if Victoria pulls out a Widow's peak, which she did a couple of times a few weeks ago. TNA isn't really much better w/ its Knockout division. The only good thing about it is being able to see former and current SHIMMER wrestlers, but they are being booked terribly anymore and TNA is turning its women's division into the WWE divas. Good job on changing your marketing strategy. I guess that's thanks to the Beautiful People's entrance getting the show's highest ratings than the actual wrestling itself. But about Kelly Kelly--I don't mind her role as being the face who gets beat up and occasionally wins. I anticipate she's going to WM against Beth to win the title.  |
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Post by krull on Dec 22, 2008 8:03:06 GMT -6
Anyone remember when wCw started a Women's division back in 1997? It was being built around Medusa, Japanese wresters and some Mexican ladies were on their way before the division was axed by the executives. It sure would have been awesome if it was let to flourish. It may have changed the Western Wrestling industries perception of Women's wrestling more than a decade before Shimmer got the ball rolling. But wCw's downfall would have put an ax to it anyway... and Russo's arrival in 1999 sure as hell would have killed it.
If Shimmer or another company based solely on Womens Wrestling were to have fair financial backing and contracts that pay big things would change relatively fast in WWE and TNA for the ladies of pro Wrestling. Kong would have gotten that pay rise she deserves for TNAs fear of loosing one of their biggest ratings draws.
I think WWE is slowly moving into taking Womens wrestling more seriously. Maybe the flux of models will faze out as the Diva search is no more. Gradually I hope they hire more Women who have wanted to be in the company for years and busted their ass to get there.
Kelly Kelly took up the opportunity to be in the WWE and she is making the most of it... to the best her her ability??? I wont berate here for trying... even is she is no good. I don't think she should have the opportunity though. Thats the problem.
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Post by krull on Dec 22, 2008 8:13:04 GMT -6
I find it funny how a year ago now TNA started the Knockouts and they were a wild success. TNA mocked and made fun of WWE for have lousy Womens Wrestlers called "Divas". Now... where TNA has sabotaged itself with its only success since the Spike TV contract WWE is taking what they did and now has a much more serious Womens division/s... TNAs booking/writing of the Knockouts is more Divaish than what WWE is doing with the Divas now.
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Post by frankp316 on Dec 22, 2008 11:31:24 GMT -6
The 1997 deal between WCW & GAEA was doomed from the start because GAEA owner Chigusa Nagayo is nuts. It's very difficult to have any kind of long term business dealings with a mental case.
The decline of the TNA Knockouts corresponds directly with the departure of Scott D'Amore. Neither Russo, Jarrett, Mantell or Vega have a clue about booking women. Gail Kim's departure didn't help because she was the only one that had good chemistry with AK. So now TNA has painted themselves into a corner and don't know what to do. If they had any sense, they would realize that the answer is underneath Raisha Saeed's burka.
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Post by tee on Dec 22, 2008 14:17:06 GMT -6
only one that had good chemistry with Amazing Kong. Roxxi has it and her matches with Kong are the only ones of hers I liked from her Shimmer career then they could also have Melissa turn on Kong and have her fight Kong.
Though yes once D'Amore left the Knockouts were going nowhere but down.
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Post by Acid Reign Again on Dec 22, 2008 17:03:50 GMT -6
The Diva Search is no more? THANK GOD!!!!!!!!
To me, the problem isn't entirely the "Divas" -that is the models- IT'S THE FANBASE! Most of them have no standards or actually care mainly b/c WWE is all they watch and never venture past that fence to see elsewhere.
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Post by DennisIsEvil on Dec 22, 2008 17:20:59 GMT -6
WWE is so schizophrenic when it comes to its women. Some days, they market them as serious wrestlers and book them in decent matches. Others . . . well, others, they have the Santa's Little Helper match where the women prance around in bras and frilly skirts, while I look at them in horror and disgust. I'm worried about the Santa's Workshop match on Impact next week. I've heard it's basically Santa's Little Helper, though . . . how can it be with Kong and "Saeed"? The toybox full of weapons will make it's triumphant return. I just hope the same can be said of the barbed wire christmas tree. I mark out for barbed wire christmas trees. |
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Post by frankp316 on Dec 22, 2008 19:26:48 GMT -6
only one that had good chemistry with Amazing Kong. Roxxi has it and her matches with Kong are the only ones of hers I liked from her Shimmer career then they could also have Melissa turn on Kong and have her fight Kong. Though yes once D'Amore left the Knockouts were going nowhere but down. Correction. Nikki Roxx has good chemistry with AK. The lame trying to be hardcore but dressed in pajamas Roxxi character does not. |
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Post by frankp316 on Dec 22, 2008 19:29:35 GMT -6
The Diva Search is no more? THANK GOD!!!!!!!! To me, the problem isn't entirely the "Divas" -that is the models- IT'S THE FANBASE! Most of them have no standards or actually care mainly b/c WWE is all they watch and never venture past that fence to see elsewhere. They're still doing the Diva Search but it's not on TV anymore. They show it on wwe.com. |
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Post by teamblondagefan on Dec 22, 2008 19:55:55 GMT -6
What I find funny is people who have never posted on the SHIMMER forums EVER or at least in a long ass time, suddenly emerge when there is a discussion on the WWE divas, how ironic.
You know, I have no problem with the WWE womens division. Sure there may be an uneven ratio of Wrestlers to Models, but it's a lot better now. Just look at some of the women, Natalya for one, arguably one of the best female wrestlers in the country, if even the world.
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