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Post by Starscream on Jul 20, 2006 1:44:08 GMT -6
Also, I think another reason why people checked simmer out was because they wanted to see what the northamerican womens' circuit had to offer besides Traci Brooks, Gail Kim and other more well-known names and I think most were very impressed by what they saw. It's kinda like emergence of northamerican talent to a level where they can be seen.
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Post by edgecrusher on Jul 20, 2006 10:59:10 GMT -6
You have a point there stew about the joshi wrestlers, but look at ROH. Sure they're more established, but they have brought over a number of puro wrestlers from NOAH and elsewhere in the past few months. That hasn't taken away anything from ROH's US wrestlers. SHIMMER can still be SHIMMER even with the addition of a few joshi wrestlers. Putting them in the odd match wouldn't (nor shouldn't) take away the attention from the other girls. Hence I think there could be a limit to the number and frequency of them. That's a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE analogy. ROH has a very stable roster of workers, and brings in foreign stars in small quantities with a very specific plan in mind, after having established itself with its own talent after a number of years. And I'm afraid it WILL take attention away from the SHIMMER girls. The problem is, people asking for 'dream' matches means bringing in the cream of the crop from Japan... who are much, MUCH better than I'd say 3/4s of SHIMMER's roster. That's not being nasty, but it's true, certainly in the case of someone like Yoshida. Dream matches are best promoted by groups with solid backing who know it can't hurt them. If they bring in a wrestler from abroad, who just happens to blow away the audience, and then can't get them again, what message does that say? I can't think of a single way in which this idea is a good one. Once they've done 10 good DVDs using reliable talent, once they've got a nice solid fanbase and can trust on where they're going, then I'd say bringing in people for dream matches is fine. Up until that point you risk damaging, not benefitting, your fanbase. Wrestling's graveyard is full of fledgling promotions that tried to go for big flash matches, only to burn out their fans as a result and not being able to match the highs again. SHIMMER's roster is brilliant. It needs no extra garnish at this time. Besides: Catering to the internet is like sending politicians to Arkham Asylum for ideas. They might get a lot of them, but few will be useful. You're a fool, on both counts. Someone like Kong adds diversity, and if they can get, and keep her on the show, they should. If they can only get her over for a short period; then she probably should go for now. |
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Post by prydonianrenegade on Jul 20, 2006 17:39:12 GMT -6
Just popped in over here, and I haven't had a chance to go through all 7 pages of this thread.  So I may end up echoing a few people. But here are my pair of pennies... I agree that I don't think it's necessary to backburner a whole bunch of the current existing talent. But a little new blood is essential to keep a product fresh. No need to go overboard on new blood--maybe 2 or 3 or taping. First off, my indespensibles: Rebecca Knox, Lacey, Sara del Rey, Nikki Roxx, Ariel, Malia Hosaka, Lexie Fyfe, MsChif, Daizee Haze, Amazing Kong. Knox and Lacey are easily for my money the best heels on the roster right now. Malia and Lexie are the best tag team, with Lacey & Rain a close second. (On a sidebar, that's one issue that SHIMMER needs to address, IMHO: at the moment, there isn't really one equally strong tag team on the face side to balance the scale. I thought Ariel and Shantelle had the potential to be that team--they had such great chemistry and charisma their one time out--but then Shantelle had to go and land a WWE deal. The nerve! ) Daizee works the Little Engine That Could vibe like nobody's business, and is the prototypical face. Nikki has been underrated for too long, and I'm glad to see she's starting to win people over. Ariel has charisma to burn. Chif is a fantastic character, and Kong's like nothing I've seen. I can't think of anyone I've seen (and all I haven't seen is Volume 4) who I think isn't worthy of having a spot on the SHIMMER roster--which is a testament to the quality of the roster. Now, for my wishlist: 1) Mickie Knuckles 2) Maria Montana 3) Camron Star 4) Scarlett Rose |
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Post by bullshizzle on Jul 20, 2006 17:53:27 GMT -6
^I loved Michiko Omukai in Arison! I have only seen a handfull of her matches and she looked good in all of them. The one thing that suprised me is how someone of her stature could be able to hold Aja Kong up in the air for a sitdown crucifix power bomb. Michiko: blissinc.net/p005.html |
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Post by niu11 on Jul 21, 2006 0:19:50 GMT -6
Bring back Christie Ricci.
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Post by Starscream on Jul 21, 2006 0:24:38 GMT -6
You have a point there stew about the joshi wrestlers, but look at ROH. Sure they're more established, but they have brought over a number of puro wrestlers from NOAH and elsewhere in the past few months. That hasn't taken away anything from ROH's US wrestlers. SHIMMER can still be SHIMMER even with the addition of a few joshi wrestlers. Putting them in the odd match wouldn't (nor shouldn't) take away the attention from the other girls. Hence I think there could be a limit to the number and frequency of them. That's a horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE analogy. ROH has a very stable roster of workers, and brings in foreign stars in small quantities with a very specific plan in mind, after having established itself with its own talent after a number of years. And I'm afraid it WILL take attention away from the SHIMMER girls. The problem is, people asking for 'dream' matches means bringing in the cream of the crop from Japan... who are much, MUCH better than I'd say 3/4s of SHIMMER's roster. That's not being nasty, but it's true, certainly in the case of someone like Yoshida. Dream matches are best promoted by groups with solid backing who know it can't hurt them. If they bring in a wrestler from abroad, who just happens to blow away the audience, and then can't get them again, what message does that say? I can't think of a single way in which this idea is a good one. Once they've done 10 good DVDs using reliable talent, once they've got a nice solid fanbase and can trust on where they're going, then I'd say bringing in people for dream matches is fine. Up until that point you risk damaging, not benefitting, your fanbase. Wrestling's graveyard is full of fledgling promotions that tried to go for big flash matches, only to burn out their fans as a result and not being able to match the highs again. SHIMMER's roster is brilliant. It needs no extra garnish at this time. Besides: Catering to the internet is like sending politicians to Arkham Asylum for ideas. They might get a lot of them, but few will be useful. You're a fool, on both counts. Someone like Kong adds diversity, and if they can get, and keep her on the show, they should. If they can only get her over for a short period; then she probably should go for now. |
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Post by billycarson on Jul 21, 2006 1:24:53 GMT -6
As far as Japan wrestlers go,Mariko Yoshida is already in the USA and has won 2 APW Chick Fight Tournments(for example)which included future Shimmer wrestlers.If anyone has some money laying around,I would pick up Chick Fight 2 and check her out.Also,I would read the comments by some of the people who have actually bought(downloaded)the matches from the APW website.Now Chick Fight 3(which she also won)has not come out yet,but the matches are on the website with some comments.Mariko Yoshida has also won the Future Legend 2006 Award from the Cauliflower Alley Club which also included guys like Harley Race,his tag partner Larry "the Axe" Hennig(some say "he could go bear hunting with a switch"),Verne Gagne(who could not make it due to health reasons)and some others who won awards.Among women,Vivian Vachon was also honored at that reunion.So I would say she was in pretty good company.I don`t know about these other Japan wrestlers or other women wrestlers from other countries and how much exposure they had wrestling in the USA especially in tournments or getting awards in the USA,but I just have one pick for Shimmer and thats Mariko Yoshida.If Shimmer is luckey enough to acquire her services,she may stay for a Long period of time or a Short period of time(end up with a WWE contract for example like some other Shimmer wrestlers have done).But I don`t believe the WWE(and the number one money promoter in the world)would want someone like her right now.ECW(the newest brand run by the promoter himself)is looking for cheap porn like stripper Kelly Kelly to open the shows for their fan base of mostly young people to showcase mens wrestling with little new talent the way I see it.So my thinking is Mariko Yoshida would stay with Shimmer for a Long time,but with any wrestler,etc.,you never really know.
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Post by hokutofever on Jul 21, 2006 5:29:27 GMT -6
OK, so I finally got to see some Mickie Knuckles footage the other day. Man, why didn't I mention her before? I was never high on her in the past, maybe because I wasn't paying attention. But DAMN, she can go and is quite hard hitting. Put her in the ring with Sara Del Rey and see who comes out looking like the winner there  Yep, Chama (her nickname) is real tough cookie and hot too  Stiff kicks, good suplexes and power based moveset and a strong seller. She developed her skills rapidly during the first two years of ARSION. She levelled off after a while but still continued to be a solid worker. Oh, and as for Joshi wrestlers who should be NO where near SHIMMER, look no further than that horrendous Tanny Mouse. If it weren't for the affection for bad comedy by some idiot promoters in Japan (plus the collapse of AJW), there'd be no way she'd have ever lasted. It was depressing enough to read that she made it onto the last Chick Fight, albeit she lost in the first round. |
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Post by edgecrusher on Jul 21, 2006 9:15:33 GMT -6
Omukai is the poster child for 'shouldn't be in SHIMMER'. I sincerely doubt they could buy her cheaply, if the rumours about her ego are to be believed (on top of which she's still a legitimate star), and even then there's no way she would be around for long.
She's the perfect person to bring in later on.
Other point: Why hotshot 'dream' matches now?
If they can get Yoshida as a permanent member of the roster, definitely get her in, she's awesome. But not for one or two tapings. That's not such a good idea.
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Post by hokutofever on Jul 21, 2006 9:37:27 GMT -6
I think the Omukai ego problem has some truth. She let the politics of the business affect her ringwork. She is a very good worker, but never got to the point of greatness of which she had the potential to.
Furthermore, I've read that she isn't particularly personable with fans anymore. She is known to jack up the prices of her merchandise. Like one fan report, if I recall correctly, said that she refused to autograph a fan's photobook of her's, UNLESS the fan bought some additional Omukai merchandise.
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Post by mikeinla on Jul 21, 2006 12:34:07 GMT -6
Caught this message board late but would like to chime in.
First, everybody bagging on Lacey and Amber O'Neal are insane. These are two great versitile workers. Lacey may be laying on her fan hatred heel routine, but her match against Daizie Haze on Volume 1 is one of the best well-paced women's matches I've seen. Just had a bit of everything in it from both women.
I've seen Amber wrestle in many guises--both heel and babyface. She has the goods, knows a lot of moves (spear/gore, superkick, can come off the ropes well), and works a crowd better than what she's doing on the released volumes so far. I'm constantly puzzled as to why Dave Prazak is booking her matches in such an uninspiring way. With that said, what she has done in the ring in the three released Shimmer DVDs is solid, just not Amber in spectacular mode. It would help if she'd be legitimately booked for a clean or dominant win where she could show off more skills. Keep in mind that she's been booked in Shimmer to do the Blondage heel flying solo...which is bizarre since Blondage does still exist with Lollipop now as the new tag partner.
Regarding future tapings, I echo the sentiment that not all the women present for tapings need to be used for both taped volumes. I also think budget wise anyone thinking that Dave needs to bring in Japanese wrestlers is just dreaming. It's not going to happen because the travel expenses will be costly.
As far as who to add, I'd love to see legit tag action. So bring in Lollipop to get Blondage version 2, and add Tiffany (from California APW) to tag with Melissa for Girls Gone Wrestling. Add them to the mix with the Minnesota Homewrecking Crew and Malia/Lexie established tag teams. And some of the ROH girls have been in tag combos as well...can't think of their team gimmick names off hand, but they should be paired up. For instance, I know that Allison and Cindy have tagged in the past. In my opinion when you get a good well-oiled tag team bout happening, they can be great if not show-stealing matches.
I'd also love to see Team T&A (April Hunter and Talia Madison) make an appearance as well. But it seems like any gal who has enhanced breasts that are in any way large don't seem to stick around or get an invite. Glaringly absent in Shimmer are the likes of Team T&A, Vanessa Harding, Melissa Coates, Tracy Brooks, and a few others that happen to have ample cleavage.
Last...no one ever brings up Gee Starr as someone to add to the Shimmer roster. Yes, she wrestles a lot of guys, but I'd love to see her go against some of the tougher girls on the Shimmer roster like Sara Del Rey and Mercedez Martinez. Gee is explosive when it comes to offense and sells as well as anyone in wrestling. In fact, my suggested dream match would be Gee against Sara.
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Post by bigdel on Jul 21, 2006 14:07:55 GMT -6
Love your current roster & loved Shimmer Vol. 2, but the following would make great additions in my opinion:
#1 - Vanessa Harding
#2 - April Hunter
Other than that, all I can say is MORE of KRISSY VAINE!
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Post by stew on Jul 21, 2006 14:55:03 GMT -6
Other than that, all I can say is MORE of KRISSY VAINE! There can't be, I'm afraid. Krissy signed a WWE Developmental Deal just after the Vols 1 & 2 taping and she's been assigned to Deep South Wrestling in Georgia to train and await her eventual callup to the main WWE roster... so no more SHIMMERing for her.  |
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Post by bullshizzle on Jul 21, 2006 17:40:24 GMT -6
So bring in Lollipop to get Blondage version 2, and add Tiffany (from California APW) to tag with Melissa for Girls Gone Wrestling. Unfortunately it seems as if Tiffany is no longer involved with wrestling. |
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Post by hokutofever on Jul 22, 2006 4:55:13 GMT -6
Just another thing, since Jazz got to participate in the last Chick Fight, will her deal with ECW allow her to work elsewhere on the indies?
Jazz would be a great pick for SHIMMER. She was one of my favourites in WWE. Great moveset, hard hitting, badass heel attitude. Put her in a match with Sara or Mercedes, and it'll probably end up looking like the stiffest match on the show.
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So I may end up echoing a few people. But here are my pair of pennies...
Stiff kicks, good suplexes and power based moveset and a strong seller. She developed her skills rapidly during the first two years of ARSION. She levelled off after a while but still continued to be a solid worker.
