Ryuji
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Post by Ryuji on Apr 29, 2008 17:17:44 GMT -6
Before you even say it, don't be all like, "Oh well your situation is different." When, if you think about it, is pretty much near the same as Rebecca's no-showing SHIMMER. She was entirely WAY too busy and just did not have time nor the patience to call Dave and tell him what was up. If she have the time to talk with a friend of her she could tell him(her) that she sorry and she would not attempt the Shimmer show before the show no after everybody was searching her. Just remember what happen to Tiana Ringer,she decide no to wrestle but at least she told to all of her fans what´s going on. I do not want to hear exactly was happening with Rebecca Knox because is not of my business but there are a lof of differents ways to said,I am not going to be at Shimmer.
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Post by prydonianrenegade on Apr 29, 2008 17:26:13 GMT -6
Ok I normally don't say anything, but this has peaked my attention. What you guys are saying about Rebecca is fair and also logical, but as was stated above she had family issues and I doubt calling Dave was the last thing on her mind. Here let me give you an example: Last year around August time frame I had no money in the bank and was set to go on a 6 month deployment even though I owed $26.50 to T-Mobile. I, of course being in the Navy and all, was entirely too busy to call them to tell them what was up and before I knew it I was on my way to Bahrain via flights. For the next 5 and a half months I recieved bills from T-Mobile and eventually a notice saying that my phone got turned off. When I came back in December I immediately went to a mall which has a T-Mobile store and explained myself to them. In the end they understood allowed me to get a new phone and plan with them with no punishment at all. Now does that make me immature for not calling T-Mobile and telling them what was up? And, no I couldn't call them over deployment. Before you even say it, don't be all like, "Oh well your situation is different." When, if you think about it, is pretty much near the same as Rebecca's no-showing SHIMMER. She was entirely WAY too busy and just did not have time nor the patience to call Dave and tell him what was up. Sorry, mate, but this IS a pretty flawed analogy on a few grounds. For one thing, T-Mobile didn't pay you anything. Promoters tend to cover the travel costs of their talent, and often, those travel costs include non-refundable flight tickets. That sort of commitment to a person suggests that you at the very least owe them the courtesy of getting in touch. Now, if we're going to talk examples of similar situations, I can provide one much more fitting. Just over 12 years ago now, I was at community college, a month from getting my Associates. I'd just been accepted to a four year school, and was getting in all the material I needed to send to them. And (geek alert) one week I had a job, judging at a high school debate tournament. Two days before that tournament, my mother and grandfather were killed in a car accident on the other end of the country--a car accident that also left my father and two of my aunts in varying degrees of critical condition, with no guarantee they would pull through. And with all the chaos surrounding that, I STILL managed to find 2 minutes to pick up a phone and call the director of that tournament and tell her I wouldn't be able to honor my commitment. I'm not unsympathetic to whatever Ms Knox might be going through right now, and I do agree that some of the piling on here has bordered on excessive. But there is also no excuse for not giving some notice that she would not be able to make the show, once she was booked.
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Post by frankp316 on Apr 29, 2008 17:58:17 GMT -6
Rebecca Knox is scheduled to participate in Chick Fight, this weekend. Let's see what happens before we jump to any more conclusions. She was going to no show that too except the promotion called her to confirm.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 29, 2008 18:39:25 GMT -6
prydonianrenegade gets it.
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Post by magnumgecko on Apr 29, 2008 18:45:10 GMT -6
I'm certainly disappointed. Rebecca was the the wrestler I most wanted to see return. That being said, I also am probably going to give her more of a benefit of the doubt than, say, Ann Brookstone. However, I still don't think I'd be posting beyond maybe one post to say how unprofessional she is. That's just me. Based on what Dave said (and I have no reason to doubt him), it certainly seems that her no-showing without any kind of contact or qualifying it was a no-no. That speaks for itself. It's surprising and a little shocking. But Shimmer will move on and so will Rebecca. Like it has been said before, she had a very scary situation with that cranial infection, and she may feel that a transcontinental flight for what may be a risk of more of the same is not what she wants right now. Does that justify what she did? No, but at the same time, let's put it into context. She missed a wrestling show. If she's really out of the business, I guess she feels there really aren't any repercussions to her for this. That's a shame in my eyes. However, this thread seems to have turned into a whipping post. Saying that Shimmer "outgrew" Knox awhile ago is unnecessary, and in my eyes, inaccurate, particularly when this so-called outgrowth was taking place while she was injured. Did Shimmer outgrow Mercedes? No. Will Shimmer outgrow Allison Danger? We all know the answer to that one. Everyone seems to be in agreement that what she did should have done better. Why not leave it at that? Reading it back, I realize how what I said looked but what I meant more or less is that SHIMMER moved on without her and didn't miss a step. We lost the advertised Iron Woman Match, but other than that, her absence was filled quickly and that was that.
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Post by defective14 on Apr 30, 2008 17:29:34 GMT -6
Ok I normally don't say anything, but this has peaked my attention. What you guys are saying about Rebecca is fair and also logical, but as was stated above she had family issues and I doubt calling Dave was the last thing on her mind. Here let me give you an example: Last year around August time frame I had no money in the bank and was set to go on a 6 month deployment even though I owed $26.50 to T-Mobile. I, of course being in the Navy and all, was entirely too busy to call them to tell them what was up and before I knew it I was on my way to Bahrain via flights. For the next 5 and a half months I recieved bills from T-Mobile and eventually a notice saying that my phone got turned off. When I came back in December I immediately went to a mall which has a T-Mobile store and explained myself to them. In the end they understood allowed me to get a new phone and plan with them with no punishment at all. Now does that make me immature for not calling T-Mobile and telling them what was up? And, no I couldn't call them over deployment. Before you even say it, don't be all like, "Oh well your situation is different." When, if you think about it, is pretty much near the same as Rebecca's no-showing SHIMMER. She was entirely WAY too busy and just did not have time nor the patience to call Dave and tell him what was up. Sorry, mate, but this IS a pretty flawed analogy on a few grounds. For one thing, T-Mobile didn't pay you anything. Promoters tend to cover the travel costs of their talent, and often, those travel costs include non-refundable flight tickets. That sort of commitment to a person suggests that you at the very least owe them the courtesy of getting in touch. Now, if we're going to talk examples of similar situations, I can provide one much more fitting. Just over 12 years ago now, I was at community college, a month from getting my Associates. I'd just been accepted to a four year school, and was getting in all the material I needed to send to them. And (geek alert) one week I had a job, judging at a high school debate tournament. Two days before that tournament, my mother and grandfather were killed in a car accident on the other end of the country--a car accident that also left my father and two of my aunts in varying degrees of critical condition, with no guarantee they would pull through. And with all the chaos surrounding that, I STILL managed to find 2 minutes to pick up a phone and call the director of that tournament and tell her I wouldn't be able to honor my commitment. I'm not unsympathetic to whatever Ms Knox might be going through right now, and I do agree that some of the piling on here has bordered on excessive. But there is also no excuse for not giving some notice that she would not be able to make the show, once she was booked. . My logic is in no way flawed. T-Moblie is providing me a service, and it is I, the consumer of said service, who is responsible for maintaining and upkeeping the payment and notification incase something happens. Now true I didn't notify them and Rebecca didn't notify SHIMMER but that's because we COULDN'T notify our respective companies.
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Post by prydonianrenegade on Apr 30, 2008 18:31:19 GMT -6
My logic is in no way flawed. T-Moblie is providing me a service, and it is I, the consumer of said service, who is responsible for maintaining and upkeeping the payment and notification incase something happens. Now true I didn't notify them and Rebecca didn't notify SHIMMER but that's because we COULDN'T notify our respective companies. Nope, still doesn't work. SHIMMER was not providing Rebecca Knox a service. SHIMMER was EMPLOYING Rebecca Knox to work on its behalf. This is not like you letting your T-Mobile get turned off. This would be like you skipping out on your deployment. As far as whether or not Rebecca "COULDN'T notify" SHIMMER, that's simply nonsense. She simply DIDN'T notify them. She apparently dropped out of contact 6 weeks ago, and unless something's changed between when Dave last posted on this topic and now, she STILL hasn't been in direct contact with SHIMMER. She's had time to tell someone else that "pro wrestling isn't for (her)", which means she's had time to get in touch with Dave, had she chosen to do so. She simply didn't.
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Post by defective14 on Apr 30, 2008 19:34:41 GMT -6
My logic is in no way flawed. T-Moblie is providing me a service, and it is I, the consumer of said service, who is responsible for maintaining and upkeeping the payment and notification incase something happens. Now true I didn't notify them and Rebecca didn't notify SHIMMER but that's because we COULDN'T notify our respective companies. Nope, still doesn't work. SHIMMER was not providing Rebecca Knox a service. SHIMMER was EMPLOYING Rebecca Knox to work on its behalf. This is not like you letting your T-Mobile get turned off. This would be like you skipping out on your deployment. As far as whether or not Rebecca "COULDN'T notify" SHIMMER, that's simply nonsense. She simply DIDN'T notify them. She apparently dropped out of contact 6 weeks ago, and unless something's changed between when Dave last posted on this topic and now, she STILL hasn't been in direct contact with SHIMMER. She's had time to tell someone else that "pro wrestling isn't for (her)", which means she's had time to get in touch with Dave, had she chosen to do so. She simply didn't. But you can not say that! You have no idea what she, Rebecca, was thinking in this case and whether or she had originally planned on skimping out on SHIMMER. And SHIMMER is indeed doing her a service because it gets her name out there and produces more fans for her to have. What I am simply trying to prove here is that there is NO WAY we can determine whether or not Rebecca had INTENTIONALLY decided to skip her booking with SHIMMER, family issues or not involved. For those people who flame her, try looking at it in her shoes, if you had family issues wouldn't wrestling be the LAST thing on your mind? And even then we have NO IDEA what kind of family issues she was going through. Maybe someone was in the emergency room? Maybe someone was incompacitated and she was in no shape to call SHIMMER. Bottom line is this, people, we simply have NO IDEA what Rebecca was thinking or going through at the time of the SHIMMER booking and to continue to bash and flame her is to be ignorant to her situation and utterly close minded.
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Post by Ryan on Apr 30, 2008 19:43:06 GMT -6
if you had family issues wouldn't wrestling be the LAST thing on your mind? Not to drag my personal life in to things, but I've had friends and family members die and I've always managed to contact my employers. I'm not the only person for whom I know this to be the case, at the very least after the fact if they can't get it done before the commitment. It's just the right way to do business, like it or not.
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Post by defective14 on Apr 30, 2008 19:54:43 GMT -6
Even still, right business or not, imagine the trauma and mental state she must have been in. Honestly, would you, going through grief and stress, want to call SHIMMER and tell them you can't make it? Or would you rather show concern for your family and make the decision, as hard as it may be, skip out on a booking?
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Post by nykk on Apr 30, 2008 20:06:52 GMT -6
SHIMMER was paying her, she was not paying them. For someone to be paid, a certain obligation is required, which includes notifying them if they are unable to make it in for work. It's called mature, responsible behavior.
If you're being paid to do it, wrestling is a job just like anything else. When my mom died, I still called work and let them know the situation. If I were unable to do so, I would have had someone do it on my behalf.
Rebecca is only human, but as such should still be held accountable for her mistakes. And unless you know her situation, then you are just as ignorant as anyone. If she is going through hard times, then I sympathize with her but that does not excuse her from acting like a responsible adult. No-showing without any explanation not only let down the people she worked with, but also probably caused a lot of extra stress and work to cover up for her absence.
Respect and common courtesy is expected of every human being, and in this instance she didn't show either of those, and the fact that she still apparently hasn't notified anyone about what happened to her is very telling. That doesn't necessarily make her a bad person, but there is really no excuse for it going this long without a phone call, text message or email to people who care about her and have been trying to contact her about what happened.
You're trying to make excuses for her when all it really needs to be is an incident chalked up to immaturity on her part.
You don't even know that was the case. No one knows what went down. All she said was "crazy work and family commitments" which could mean anything. And if it were the case, yes family issues would take the first priority but at some point you need to let others know what became of you, especially if you had some kind of agreement/obligation/friendship with them, because the world doesn't revolve around only you and others care about you too. And that wouldn't just go for wrestling, but for any other commitments in her life.
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Post by prydonianrenegade on Apr 30, 2008 20:14:51 GMT -6
For those people who flame her, try looking at it in her shoes, if you had family issues wouldn't wrestling be the LAST thing on your mind? See the example I gave from my personal life in my first post. I got word of that accident at about 2:30AM Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. The tournament I was hired to serve as a judge for started on Thursday. And in the midst of trying to get information from Arizona about the family members who survived the crash and their progress, trying to get someone from the family out there to be with them, trying to get my mother and grandfather brought back from Flagstaff to Chesapeake... in the midst of all that and more, I still managed to make a phone call to say I wouldn't be able to do the job I'd been hired to do. It was by no means the first thing on my mind. But I still did it, with far less time to do so than Rebecca apparently had.
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Post by sonicstorm06 on Apr 30, 2008 20:19:03 GMT -6
Do you also realize that Rebecca not being there also could have lead to the rebooking of 17 and 18? Not saying it did but it's just something you got to think about.
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Post by nykk on Apr 30, 2008 20:21:57 GMT -6
Do you also realize that Rebecca not being there also could have lead to the rebooking of 17 and 18? Not saying it did but it's just something you got to think about. Dave explicitly said it did in his first post, hence why I said she probably caused them a lot of extra stress and work as well.
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Post by defective14 on Apr 30, 2008 20:36:15 GMT -6
Ah Nykk why'd you go and quote me for? ::le sigh::
Ah well... I guess the point I was trying to make has fallen on deaf ears. No need to worry about it though.
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