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Post by rakblad on Apr 1, 2012 18:22:21 GMT -6
What was the option? Another screw job? If Alpha Female couldn't beat Jenny, then who could? I really have a hard time seeing Jenny jobbing to someone else on the roster in the immediate future. Keeping up with the current order, you'd be stuck with a title picture with very little dynamic. With yet another rerun of Jenny vs April as the only pairing that would offer ANY doubt of the outcome (well at least until July that would be, when Nikki Storm was supposed to have her title shot).
Now you can have a lot of options as well as parallel stories. Jenny most likely wants her belt back (and hopefully she will get it), April has over and over again proven herself worthy of a title shot but has recently been pinned clean by Kay Lee Ray who thereby should have one. Shanna is a great talent and a heel who isn't going anywhere at the moment, who also have a long and well known rivalry with Alpha outside of EVE, they should be able to have a few good matches.
AND this also opens for Jenny and April to once again be part of the now revitalized tag team division.
I don't like it, I would personally prefer Jenny hanging on to the title indefinitely as a backlund/sammartino kind of champion. On the other hand I fully understand why you prefer to not book things that way...
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Post by scarletspider on Apr 1, 2012 19:04:25 GMT -6
I don't think Alpha winning the title opens up any more or less options for potential feuds/storylines than if Jenny had retained. And I'm not sure about the logic of your argument that Jenny retaining would have given us 'a title picture with very little dynamic', on the basis that you couldn't see her losing to anyone on the roster. How is that different to Alpha as Champion, surely even moreso?
That said, I don't have a problem with Alpha as Champion. Like Jenny, she wouldn't be my first choice, but that's just me own preference for wrestlers who are also entertainers. Alpha's in-ring persona isn't a million miles from Jenny's 'all-business' vibe.
For me, it's more about when and where the title changed hands, rather than who's hands it's in.
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Post by themib on Apr 1, 2012 22:00:24 GMT -6
It's definitely Alpha vs. Storm at the July iPPV in a singles match for the title. No Jenny involvement at all.
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Post by royaldc on Apr 2, 2012 10:36:52 GMT -6
Wasn't Alpha vs Sjodin on the IPPV, but had a non finish? If this is where they were going with the belt, why not do the title change in the IPPV match?
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Post by rakblad on Apr 3, 2012 6:31:46 GMT -6
I would assume that this decision wasn't taken at that moment? If I would guess Jenny was supposed to hold on to it but that booking reality finally caught up with the people in charge? Jenny is a logical champion as I see it; BUT at the same time you have to do something to keep the interest around the championship until next taping. With Jenny continuing as the unbeatable champion there would be very hard to - using the current roster - market a big title defense next time. And what would you do in the meantime?
I am not saying that this was the best solution but by far the easiest and most logical.
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Post by freaky on Apr 3, 2012 8:29:55 GMT -6
I would assume that this decision wasn't taken at that moment? If I would guess Jenny was supposed to hold on to it but that booking reality finally caught up with the people in charge? Jenny is a logical champion as I see it; BUT at the same time you have to do something to keep the interest around the championship until next taping. With Jenny continuing as the unbeatable champion there would be very hard to - using the current roster - market a big title defense next time. And what would you do in the meantime? I am not saying that this was the best solution but by far the easiest and most logical. The next title defence is against Nikki Storm, the top contender for the belt and the woman who has the longest winning streak in the promotion. That storyline writes itself. |
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Post by rakblad on Apr 3, 2012 9:33:44 GMT -6
But Nikki Storm challenging larger than life monster face Alpha - whom she has proved that she can beat - is at least on paper, a far better story for me than that the yet unbeaten and thoroughly respected heel Nikki Storm challenges most likely unbeatable tweener champion Jenny.
Alpha is more of a novelty or gimmick so Sjodin vs Storm would probably be the more satisfying match of the two, but structurally I think it makes kind of sense...
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Post by scarletspider on Apr 3, 2012 10:58:48 GMT -6
But Nikki Storm challenging larger than life monster face Alpha - whom she has proved that she can beat - is at least on paper, a far better story for me than that the yet unbeaten and thoroughly respected heel Nikki Storm challenges most likely unbeatable tweener champion Jenny. Alpha is more of a novelty or gimmick so Sjodin vs Storm would probably be the more satisfying match of the two, but structurally I think it makes kind of sense... I'm still a bit puzzled by your logic. As far as I can see, you're basically saying that you think Alpha is a better choice for champion at the moment because she is more believably beatable than Jenny? I just ain't seeing that. There are a few women on the regular roster right now that could have have beaten Jenny without it being a huge shock, from Nikki to Shanna to Erin. Even KLR could have been in with a shout and I don't think anyone would have considered it a major upset. I know Eve were eager to promote Jenny as this unbeatable fighting machine, but at the end of the say, she's just another wrestler. And (as Shimmer have demonstrated on more than one occassion), everyone's beatable. Between curtailing what seemed a likely (and interesting) three-way title match at the next show and having the title change hands outside of an Eve event for the second time in succession, I'm inclined to think this title change was somehow born out of neccessity (as was the case when Jenny won it). Otherwise, I'm just struggling to see the reasoning behind it happening now, and not at the last Eve show. |
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Post by rakblad on Apr 3, 2012 14:31:36 GMT -6
My point is that Nikki Storm is a specific and very OBVIOUS threat to Alpha Female, since we know that she had already have her beaten. If Jenny would have prevailed as champion after her confrontation with AF she would have met an opponent in July with a lot of impressive wins against people who Jenny very likely also has or could beat. Of course you can sell matches that way (and maybe you should) but it wouldn't be half as exciting.
Well this is of course only my view and opinion but as I see the logic that has slowly been built and accumulated since the start, a title win by Shanna or even more so by Erin Angel would have felt totally unlikely and it would not have done the new champion any good short term as it would have been viewed by many as a mega fluke. With the hype and momentum around KLR, and if she hadn't been hurt last time and booked in a way where she could have given the showing we all know her capable of, well then MAYBE...
But as you've said; you don't really care for Jenny and see her as just another wrestler and not a very entertaining one. A large portion of the fans don't agree with that. And if you want to do a title change an make it really go over, it makes sense to also do so with the people who like. respect and hold the previous champion in high regard. At the moment this was IMO the only way that could be achieved.
As much as I want to see Jenny as champion, there is no denying that this opens for so many booking possibilities both short and long term.
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Post by scarletspider on Apr 3, 2012 15:05:21 GMT -6
I think we're still speaking at cross purposes here. As I keep saying, this isn't about Jenny being champion or not. And it's not about why the title changed hands. It's simply about why it changed hands now.My point is that Nikki Storm is a specific and very OBVIOUS threat to Alpha Female, since we know that she had already have her beaten. If Jenny would have prevailed as champion after her confrontation with AF she would have met an opponent in July with a lot of impressive wins against people who Jenny very likely also has or could beat. Of course you can sell matches that way (and maybe you should) but it wouldn't be half as exciting. As exciting as what? As a triple threat title match? Or as Jenny vs Nikki one-on-one? Both those options seem pretty good to me. Again, you seem to be basing your argument on this idea of Jenny being unbeatable in your eyes. Well this is of course only my view and opinion but as I see the logic that has slowly been built and accumulated since the start, a title win by Shanna or even more so by Erin Angel would have felt totally unlikely and it would not have done the new champion any good short term as it would have been viewed by many as a mega fluke. I really don't think many people would have thought that at all. Well, maybe one person.  But as you've said; you don't really care for Jenny and see her as just another wrestler and not a very entertaining one. No. What I said was I'd have preference for a wrestler who was also an entertainer as Eve Champion, in terms of their in-ring persona. Jenny, and indeed Alpha, are more about what they do in the ring. And everyone is 'just another wrestler' when it comes to a title match. My point is no-one is, or should be, considered unbeatable. You do that, that's when you take the excitement out of a potential match. As much as I want to see Jenny as champion, there is no denying that this opens for so many booking possibilities both short and long term. There is denying it. Cos I'm denying it. I'm not saying this will be detrimental to future bookings, of course not. I'm just saying that I can't see enough benefit to understand why the title change happened at a non-Eve event. |
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Post by rakblad on Apr 3, 2012 15:55:01 GMT -6
This will be the last from me:-) It's just that since I personally have felt for a long time that if I where the booker of EVE - as much as I love JS as a champ - I wouldn't know how to move forward in a way that would make sense to myself as well as interest like minded fans. I might of course be wrong, but have no problem believing that the ACTUAL booker feels the same way.
I know for a fact that several promoters have found it hard to book losses for Jenny since they are afraid that the audience might not buy into it. You can't stop reality from transferring over to the wrestling product.
There is probably less than a handful of worthwhile three way matches in history and next show really needs a solid and epic main event, Storm vs Alpha could be just that!
I don't really subscribe to the philosophy that you buy a ticket and thereby the right to see a title change. Those out of the blue (and place) changes add realism. But I do however have a problem with the fact that there haven't been a commercial DVD-release of the last switch, nearly a year after it happened!
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Post by themib on Apr 3, 2012 16:05:35 GMT -6
I like the main event - it's Alpha looking for revenge vs. the only woman to beat her, and the fact she cheated to do it. Whereas the heel knows she can beat the champ, and will be overcocky in trying to do it. Tells a nice story.
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Post by scarletspider on Apr 3, 2012 16:39:57 GMT -6
This will be the last from me:-) It's just that since I personally have felt for a long time that if I where the booker of EVE - as much as I love JS as a champ - I wouldn't know how to move forward in a way that would make sense to myself as well as interest like minded fans. I might of course be wrong, but have no problem believing that the ACTUAL booker feels the same way. I hope not. It's one thing to mark out for a particular wrestler, most of us have done or will do that at some stage, meself included. But when you get to a point when you're essentially saying that someone's too good to bother booking (because there's never any danger of her believably losing), then I think that's taking it to extremes. I don't really subscribe to the philosophy that you buy a ticket and thereby the right to see a title change. Those out of the blue (and place) changes add realism. I buy a ticket to see a good show, and that's what Eve have consistently put on. But you can't pretend that a title change isn't a big part of any promotion. And for the fans that have attended many/all of Eve's shows to date, there's bound to be some disappointment that they've not actually seen the title change hands yet (given that the only time it's been won at an Eve event was at the tournament where it debuted). I like the main event - it's Alpha looking for revenge vs. the only woman to beat her, and the fact she cheated to do it. Whereas the heel knows she can beat the champ, and will be overcocky in trying to do it. Tells a nice story. I don't dislike it. But it still feels like the least interesting option of the three we had prior to the title change. Jenny vs Nikki would have been my preferred choice, as it's more of a level playing field and when all's said and done, I prefer matches that seem more 'balanced'. The triple threat would have been interesting in terms of allegiances - A face Jenny perhaps having to reluctantly join forces with Nikki to put down Alpha, but not wanting to let Nikki actually win the match. What we've got is arguably the most predictable match of the bunch. Alpha as the powerhouse face vs Nikki as the heel who'll cut corners to attempt to even the odds. With the talent involved, there's little doubt it'll be a great match. But better than we could have had? I don't know. |
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Post by prowrestlingeve on Apr 5, 2012 16:46:44 GMT -6
ALPHA FEMALE WINS EVE CHAMPIONSHIP!  The historic BritWresFest event at The Coronet Theatre in London played host to an equally historic title change as Germany's Alpha Female dethroned "The Female Fight Machine" Jenny Sjodin for the Pro-Wrestling:EVE Championship! The match, which saw just the second title change in the two year history of Pro-Wrestling:EVE, came to a conclusion after Sjodin injured her neck after a hard fall and even worse landing to the outside of the ring following an over the top rope cross arm-breaker.  Alpha targeted the injured neck immediately delivering a devestatng lariat for a near fall. Alpha signalled for a second however Sjodin ducked and attempted a German suplex but Alpha delivered hard back elbows to the neck forcing Sjodin to release the waist-lock and promptly fell victim to a monstrous chokeslam to the gasps of the audience who sensed a title change. Sjodin however somehow found it within herself to force her shoulder up a split second before the referee's hand hit the mat for the three count much to the shock and awe of those in attendance in addition to Alpha herself. Sensing that this was her biggest chance yet to win the Championship, Alpha signalled for the dangerous neck breaking Omega Plex but again somehow Sjodin found a way to reverse the hold and attempted to counter it with a northern lights supex. It just wasn't meant to be. The German Giant's weight on the neck of "The Female Fight Machine" was just too much to take and Jenny was unable to complete the move. "The Professional Predator" that is Alpha Female quickly pounced on top of the injured Champion and locked in the dangerous Omega-Plex lifting Sjodin up at a high angle, dropping and compressing all of her own bodyweight on top of the neck and bridging with the hold for the match winning three count! A rapturous reaction was heard from the incredible fifteen hundred plus wrestling fans in attendance as they witnessed the Pro-Wrestling:EVE Championship change hands for just the second time since its inception. The Championship has now gone from around the waist of a Machine to being around the waist of Monster! It took everything the Monster had to dethrone the incredible near ten month reign of Jenny Sjodin who after defeating Britani Knight for the EVE Championship on June 4 2011 went into EVE title matches as defending Champion a whopping eight times. During that period "The Female Fight Machine" racked up victories against the likes of "The Lancashire Terrier" April Davids, "Portugal's Perfect Athlete" Shanna and the legendary Emi Sakura.  Everyone at Pro-Wrestling:EVE would like to both thank and congratulate Jenny Sjodin for her amazing tenure as EVE Champion in addition to congratulating the NEW Pro-Wrestling:EVE Champion Alpha Female!  Photos 1, 2 & 4 credit to Tony Knox. Photo 3 taken candidly mid photo shoot. |
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Post by robbrazier on Apr 24, 2012 15:39:14 GMT -6
This past Sunday afternoon as part of the Southside "Speed King" show in Nottingham, "Portugal's Perfect Athlete" Shanna beat Holly Rocamora in a Pro Wrestling EVE contest. Shanna's next contest as part of the EVE roster will see her team up with Nikki Storm this coming Saturday for IPW:UK at the Troxy in London to take on the Hannah and Holly - The Blossom Twins.  Holly Rocamora  "Portugal's Perfect Athlete" Shanna Photos taken by myself at Speed King - www.facebook.com/robbrazierphoto |
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