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Post by zanod on Mar 31, 2012 21:10:07 GMT -6
Amen to this, I have never been able to get into the whole IPPV thing. Call me old fashioned like the DVDs still. Not into watching wrestling on my computer. I think if (and I stress if) Shimmer ever did a PPV, I think it would be acceptable to do the standard two shows on Saturday and just the iPPV on Sunday. Or, maybe, if it wasn't too costly, do a stand alone taping that was just the iPPV outside of the two standard weekends. Stand alone shows are impossible if we are to use the same level of talent we currently do. We need four shows worth of revenue to cover (a portion of) the expenses, a lot of which are all of the flights. If we were to ever do iPPV, it would be once the technology is perfected to the point of it being completely reliable. It's not at that level currently. It would only make sense for the very first show of a weekend to be an iPPV, and the rest of the weekend to be DVDs. If a show later in the weekend were the iPPV, the entire iPPV viewership wouldn't have had a chance to see what took place on the shows leading up to what they're about to watch on iPPV. Bottom line... pressing "play" on your DVD remote is the most reliable way to watch our shows in their full four camera fully edited form. There is no reason to change the way we do things. |
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Post by soultaker39 on Mar 31, 2012 21:25:03 GMT -6
Change the venue, change the talent, and change the method of distribution? No. We're happy with our venue, our roster, and our business model right now. amen dave ;D |
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Post by Yakity on Mar 31, 2012 23:40:21 GMT -6
But do 100% of the girls cant wrestle in the summer? maybe I am wrong but they do wrestler each mont, al least half of them. What about bringing some sparkle girls? Another question comes to my mind, and hope not to be vilified by this. Why does WSU can have iPPV and steel cage matches and shimmer can't? I know the eagles club is small, but as Shimmer being a world known succsesfull promotion, wouldn't there be more places that have can the event? there may be some indy girls waiting for a chance to shine or have a tryout. Veda Scott can have longer matches or Rachel Summerslyn coming back. Rain and Jen Blake.... bringing Midwest MIlitia to enfurate the fanbase. getting girls like Terra Callway, Mistress Belmont, Blossom Twins or new canadian girls who would kill for an oportunity This sounds like a horrible idea |
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Post by themib on Apr 1, 2012 5:00:57 GMT -6
Sitting through ROH yesterday (although eventually worth it for Richards/Elgin, the MOTY so far) was so excruciating, and I was thinking of Dave and SHIMMER for a lot of that, saying "see?"
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Post by nymc32986 on Apr 1, 2012 9:34:30 GMT -6
I think if (and I stress if) Shimmer ever did a PPV, I think it would be acceptable to do the standard two shows on Saturday and just the iPPV on Sunday. Or, maybe, if it wasn't too costly, do a stand alone taping that was just the iPPV outside of the two standard weekends. Stand alone shows are impossible if we are to use the same level of talent we currently do. We need four shows worth of revenue to cover (a portion of) the expenses, a lot of which are all of the flights. If we were to ever do iPPV, it would be once the technology is perfected to the point of it being completely reliable. It's not at that level currently. It would only make sense for the very first show of a weekend to be an iPPV, and the rest of the weekend to be DVDs. If a show later in the weekend were the iPPV, the entire iPPV viewership wouldn't have had a chance to see what took place on the shows leading up to what they're about to watch on iPPV. Bottom line... pressing "play" on your DVD remote is the most reliable way to watch our shows in their full four camera fully edited form. There is no reason to change the way we do things. if anything I think there should be like one Major SHIMMER Show a year that's not Like a Regular DVD taping, But is set as a "This is our endgame show of final resolution and beginning of the next" as Kind of a Loop point for Major storylines/Feuds to end and begin. From there it takes a few tapings to build up your issues between whoever so then the next SuperShimmer Show can be where the first card is announced in advance (I always say "Give us our credit TNA" when it comes to (not) announcing a card but It honestly drives me nuts, why can't the card be announced in advance?) that would be your culminations of it, it can still have the Volume name but there's a major vibe that you'll get your wrestling, But you'll also get your final resolutions and the beginning of the cycle. Like the old school "you watch your TV to build the issues and then you go to the house show or buy the PPV." Besides I never understood iPPV's either, There should be only REAL PPV on Cable and Satellite. |
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Post by G-Reg on Apr 1, 2012 12:23:32 GMT -6
It would seem to be quite risky to buildup a full card of big matches for a show that would be six months away (unless you're also going to suggest "changing the business model."). As far as I know, no talent is under a contract, so to guarantee that much ahead of time would be a huge gamble. Volume 44, especially the top of the card, had a "super" feel to it due to the build from the other volumes that weekend. That works for me. Also, you keep saying "'announce a card ahead of time." If the building is selling out, or close to it, with no matches confirmed, does it really matter, especially for someone (you) who's not attending the shows live? Considering the only ***REAL*** PPVs on Cable cost at least $40, with no replays, and OK wrestling, I appreciate the fact that other companies are using the internet to present live wrestling that's (at least) twice as good, for half the price. Yeah, there's lots of problems now, but it can only improve (although just watch as ROH will ruin it more.  ). |
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Post by JenniferL134 on Apr 1, 2012 13:34:28 GMT -6
With the problems ROH had over the past two days I think Dave is justified in not going the iPPV route.
It amazes me people still complain about not announcing a card before hand, or asking when Shimmer will go on the road, etc etc. DP has been doing this since 2005. The cards have been consistently strong. He has a strong product and doesn't want to jeopardize it by taking unnecessary risks. Like doing iPPV or moving to another city/venue that may not draw as well. Plus the element of surprise is one of the best things about Shimmer - I love not knowing who will face who until the music hits. There are so few surprises left in wrestling, why eliminate one of the last? That goes for not announcing the whole roster either.
At the end of the day we all want Shimmer to continue to succeed. Only DP and those intimately involved know what's best and what's feasible. If they say that something isn't good for the promotion then we should accept that and continue to support SHIMMER.
/off soapbox
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Post by jcnunezst on Apr 1, 2012 14:01:49 GMT -6
Ok i understood
Just an additional question. Nigel got some money for his documentary dvds on kickstarter. Maybe crowfunding may be a source of getting more money to hold an event or maybe something else?
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Post by MC LevaMark on Apr 1, 2012 23:52:09 GMT -6
If the Eagles Club is less than half full due to the out-of-towners not being able to make it; not only does that not look good on DVD with a smaller crowd, it also means that whatever part of the business is funded by ticket sales suffers because there were not as many tickets sold, which may or may not prompt a rise in ticket prices depending on whether or not the 12 volume a year idea ever comes to pass to make up for the one taping per year where attendence is down due to most of the regular fanbase not being able to afford attending, which could price out those of us who scrape together all we can just to be able to come to Shimmer twice a year at the current rate to the point where we would not be able to attend at all. I'm not quoting this to respond to the points you made. I'm quoting this to point out that it's one sentence. WOW~! You know me, Dave. I wax poetic and tend use 147 words (yes, I counted) when 4 will do. ;D |
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Post by spiffie on Apr 2, 2012 12:12:38 GMT -6
Ok i understood Just an additional question. Nigel got some money for his documentary dvds on kickstarter. Maybe crowfunding may be a source of getting more money to hold an event or maybe something else? Given the level of interaction that SHIMMER fans already have with the performers during the weekends, I can't begin to imagine what sort of incentives you'd need on Kickstarter for that. $1000 lets you manage the MegaColors? $500 gets you a free pass not to get slapped by Saraya? $2500 gets you a "Portia Perez Doesn't Hate Me" shirt? |
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Post by SHIMMER office on Apr 2, 2012 12:20:58 GMT -6
Kickstarter is for people who don't already have a business.
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Post by Evergrey06 on Apr 2, 2012 12:28:54 GMT -6
Ok i understood Just an additional question. Nigel got some money for his documentary dvds on kickstarter. Maybe crowfunding may be a source of getting more money to hold an event or maybe something else? Given the level of interaction that SHIMMER fans already have with the performers during the weekends, I can't begin to imagine what sort of incentives you'd need on Kickstarter for that. $1000 lets you manage the MegaColors? $500 gets you a free pass not to get slapped by Saraya? $2500 gets you a "Portia Perez Doesn't Hate Me" shirt? $250 gets you in at the advertised Doors time. $2000 gets you approximately one week's supply of Skater's special supplements. $5000 gets Death Rush to enter to "The Final Countdown." |
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Post by dmpunk on Apr 2, 2012 12:46:00 GMT -6
$10,000 gets Portia to smile.
Nah, thats not enough money.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Apr 2, 2012 12:53:48 GMT -6
There's really nothing wrong with the way things are going right now, IMO. I certainly wouldn't touch an iPPV with a 60 foot pole.
Another taping a year would be neat in the sense of the more SHIMMER, the better. But I could not agree more that if it's not perfect, it's not worth doing. Quality over quantity is A-OK with me.
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Post by dmpunk on Apr 2, 2012 13:42:49 GMT -6
Besides, if we added a 3rd taping, I can't imagine how more delayed the DVD's would get. We would be taping Volume 52 and only be on DVD for Volume 45.
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I think if (and I stress if) Shimmer ever did a PPV, I think it would be acceptable to do the standard two shows on Saturday and just the iPPV on Sunday. Or, maybe, if it wasn't too costly, do a stand alone taping that was just the iPPV outside of the two standard weekends.
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