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Post by Stevie on Mar 30, 2012 5:31:16 GMT -6
Factoring in flights, car rental, hotels, tickets, spending money and some left over for bail, each trip to Chicago costs the equivalent of about $1,600. Soooo, $1,600 multiplied by 8...  Christ. That's why I've got no money. Damn you Prazak. Screw it, what's 13 grand between friends. Saves me from buying so much heroin I suppose ;D |
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Post by themib on Mar 30, 2012 5:41:56 GMT -6
Probably spent a good £2,000 or so on my two trips. I do have to skimp on a few things in order to make sure I can afford to go.
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Post by Evergrey06 on Mar 30, 2012 10:17:42 GMT -6
There is a financial balance that exists between fans and promotions. Consider these hypothetical factors: Or none of that stuff would've happened and the summer tapings would've went fine and there would be more SHIMMER for all, either live or on DVD. It's just as easy to hypothesize it that way. |
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Post by SHIMMER office on Mar 30, 2012 11:48:31 GMT -6
If the Eagles Club is less than half full due to the out-of-towners not being able to make it; not only does that not look good on DVD with a smaller crowd, it also means that whatever part of the business is funded by ticket sales suffers because there were not as many tickets sold, which may or may not prompt a rise in ticket prices depending on whether or not the 12 volume a year idea ever comes to pass to make up for the one taping per year where attendence is down due to most of the regular fanbase not being able to afford attending, which could price out those of us who scrape together all we can just to be able to come to Shimmer twice a year at the current rate to the point where we would not be able to attend at all. I'm not quoting this to respond to the points you made. I'm quoting this to point out that it's one sentence. WOW~! At any rate, for those discussing this... we didn't just toss aside the idea of running a summer taping strictly because five of you responded negatively to the idea here on the board. It's a bunch of things, but mostly talent unavailability. If we were to do it, we probably wouldn't have any joshi talent available again that soon, and some of the other regulars have summer obligations that would also not permit them to be a part of the shows. The last thing I want to do is present half-assed shows, so we're just going to wait until fall like usual. |
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Post by JenniferL134 on Mar 30, 2012 14:39:44 GMT -6
If the Eagles Club is less than half full due to the out-of-towners not being able to make it; not only does that not look good on DVD with a smaller crowd, it also means that whatever part of the business is funded by ticket sales suffers because there were not as many tickets sold, which may or may not prompt a rise in ticket prices depending on whether or not the 12 volume a year idea ever comes to pass to make up for the one taping per year where attendence is down due to most of the regular fanbase not being able to afford attending, which could price out those of us who scrape together all we can just to be able to come to Shimmer twice a year at the current rate to the point where we would not be able to attend at all. I'm not quoting this to respond to the points you made. I'm quoting this to point out that it's one sentence. WOW~! At any rate, for those discussing this... we didn't just toss aside the idea of running a summer taping strictly because five of you responded negatively to the idea here on the board. It's a bunch of things, but mostly talent unavailability. If we were to do it, we probably wouldn't have any joshi talent available again that soon, and some of the other regulars have summer obligations that would also not permit them to be a part of the shows. The last thing I want to do is present half-assed shows, so we're just going to wait until fall like usual. Good, so neither me nor the other 4 have any reason to feel guilty now.  |
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Post by dmpunk on Mar 30, 2012 17:37:45 GMT -6
Man, and here I thought I was starting to have an influence!
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Post by jcnunezst on Mar 31, 2012 18:21:39 GMT -6
[quote author=At any rate, for those discussing this... we didn't just toss aside the idea of running a summer taping strictly because five of you responded negatively to the idea here on the board. It's a bunch of things, but mostly talent unavailability. If we were to do it, we probably wouldn't have any joshi talent available again that soon, and some of the other regulars have summer obligations that would also not permit them to be a part of the shows. The last thing I want to do is present half-assed shows, so we're just going to wait until fall like usual.[/quote]
But do 100% of the girls cant wrestle in the summer? maybe I am wrong but they do wrestler each mont, al least half of them. What about bringing some sparkle girls?
Another question comes to my mind, and hope not to be vilified by this. Why does WSU can have iPPV and steel cage matches and shimmer can't? I know the eagles club is small, but as Shimmer being a world known succsesfull promotion, wouldn't there be more places that have can the event?
there may be some indy girls waiting for a chance to shine or have a tryout. Veda Scott can have longer matches or Rachel Summerslyn coming back. Rain and Jen Blake.... bringing Midwest MIlitia to enfurate the fanbase. getting girls like Terra Callway, Mistress Belmont, Blossom Twins or new canadian girls who would kill for an oportunity
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Post by SHIMMER office on Mar 31, 2012 18:49:21 GMT -6
Change the venue, change the talent, and change the method of distribution?
No.
We're happy with our venue, our roster, and our business model right now.
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Post by Evergrey06 on Mar 31, 2012 19:02:09 GMT -6
Another question comes to my mind, and hope not to be vilified by this. Why does WSU can have iPPV and steel cage matches and shimmer can't? I know the eagles club is small, but as Shimmer being a world known succsesfull promotion, wouldn't there be more places that have can the event? I'm obviously very much for a proper third set of tapings if it's possible, but as far as iPPVs not happening, it doesn't really line up with the way SHIMMER runs. It was explained to me this way: you can bring in the Go Fight Live crew, but what do you have them broadcast? It's kind of impractical to bring them in to show one random taping out of the 4 and any taping you show probably takes away the reason to buy the DVD for most people, especially if it's on demand. |
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Post by SHIMMER office on Mar 31, 2012 19:07:56 GMT -6
It's all explained in the FAQ, but I'm just against iPPV in general right now in 2012. All too frequently there are technical issues with these things that make it difficult or downright impossible for them to be viewed properly. We're not rolling the dice on the hope that "it might turn out okay."
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Post by capricornscott on Mar 31, 2012 19:10:11 GMT -6
Another question comes to my mind, and hope not to be vilified by this. Why does WSU can have iPPV and steel cage matches and shimmer can't? I know the eagles club is small, but as Shimmer being a world known succsesfull promotion, wouldn't there be more places that have can the event? I'm obviously very much for a proper third set of tapings if it's possible, but as far as iPPVs not happening, it doesn't really line up with the way SHIMMER runs. It was explained to me this way: you can bring in the Go Fight Live crew, but what do you have them broadcast? It's kind of impractical to bring them in to show one random taping out of the 4 and any taping you show probably takes away the reason to buy the DVD for most people, especially if it's on demand. I'm holding out hope that one day there will be an iPPV. I think if (and I stress if) Shimmer ever did a PPV, I think it would be acceptable to do the standard two shows on Saturday and just the iPPV on Sunday. Or, maybe, if it wasn't too costly, do a stand alone taping that was just the iPPV outside of the two standard weekends. All of that said, I understand that an iPPV isn't going to be happening any time soon. |
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Post by SHIMMER office on Mar 31, 2012 19:24:08 GMT -6
I think if (and I stress if) Shimmer ever did a PPV, I think it would be acceptable to do the standard two shows on Saturday and just the iPPV on Sunday. Or, maybe, if it wasn't too costly, do a stand alone taping that was just the iPPV outside of the two standard weekends. Stand alone shows are impossible if we are to use the same level of talent we currently do. We need four shows worth of revenue to cover (a portion of) the expenses, a lot of which are all of the flights. If we were to ever do iPPV, it would be once the technology is perfected to the point of it being completely reliable. It's not at that level currently. It would only make sense for the very first show of a weekend to be an iPPV, and the rest of the weekend to be DVDs. If a show later in the weekend were the iPPV, the entire iPPV viewership wouldn't have had a chance to see what took place on the shows leading up to what they're about to watch on iPPV. Bottom line... pressing "play" on your DVD remote is the most reliable way to watch our shows in their full four camera fully edited form. There is no reason to change the way we do things. |
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Post by dmpunk on Mar 31, 2012 19:32:16 GMT -6
iPPV's are overrated anyway. You don't need to watch SHIMMER live. DVD's are fine. Although, the best thing to do is be there live. There really is no substitution to that experience.
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Post by G-Reg on Mar 31, 2012 20:46:40 GMT -6
Everytime there was a technical issue this weekend, all I could think of was Dave smiling, thinking "see what I mean?"  |
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Post by G-Reg on Mar 31, 2012 20:51:51 GMT -6
iPPV's are overrated anyway. You don't need to watch SHIMMER live. DVD's are fine. Although, the best thing to do is be there live. There really is no substitution to that experience. I think there's a value to seeing an event live (how many fans who didn't travel to SHIMMER were constantly hitting refresh or reload in the forums and twitter?), so I hope that the technology can be perfected. There's nothing better than seeing great wrestling unfold live in front of you. |
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