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Post by tswdm on Apr 5, 2009 23:08:45 GMT -6
The big matches were really good. Anyone who didn't see the event really should. Sure there are some negative aspects that have been mentioned, but Undertaker vs. Shawn was as exciting as any Japanese match you probably like with every finisher being hit and guys taking moves onto the floor. The Money In The Bank and Brother vs. Brother matches were crazy. Cena pulled off some great stuff in his title match (flying Rocker Dropper to the outside, lifting both Edge and Big Show for the FU).
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Post by Digestive Ceremony on Apr 5, 2009 23:12:35 GMT -6
I think that wrestling fans are expecting too much from WWE. Wrestling is not their first priority. They're entertainment, and they do not hide that fact. If you're watching the product in hopes of great wrestling, the problem is not with WWE, it's with your expectations. We should all be used to this by now. WWE doesn't care about women's wrestling or tag team wrestling. The belts were to be unified tonight. That's supposed to be a fairly big deal, but you're going to need to buy the DVD to see it.
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Post by Vsavior on Apr 5, 2009 23:14:48 GMT -6
I went to watch it with some friends(I didn't order it myself, stopped doing that years ago), I enjoyed the Money in the Bank and the Taker/Michaels match(which should have been the main event imo). Hardy vs. Hardy was pretty good too. Other than that the rest was blah, though I was surprised/impressed at Ricky Steamboat's performance. And I agree that was the most anti-climactic main event with HHH/Orton. Glad I didn't spend my money on it.
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Post by tswdm on Apr 5, 2009 23:16:12 GMT -6
Oh how could I forget? Great seeing Ricky Steamboat doing the arm drags again.
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Post by Starscream on Apr 5, 2009 23:16:12 GMT -6
I think that wrestling fans are expecting too much from WWE. Wrestling is not their first priority. They're entertainment, and they do not hide that fact. If you're watching the product in hopes of great wrestling, the problem is not with WWE, it's with your expectations. We should all be used to this by now. WWE doesn't care about women's wrestling or tag team wrestling. The belts were to be unified tonight. That's supposed to be a fairly big deal, but you're going to need to buy the DVD to see it. Exactly. Which is why I didn't watch it. Or try to. A lot of fans like to watch WWE and complain, just to complain knowing it'll never change. Just turn off the TV, keep it off and go out and support ROH or something, it's easier than watching the WWE just to complain. You can say Taker vs. HBK is good- it's supposed to be good. I feel like watching Big Egg Universe for some reason. Now that's how you do a PPV.
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Post by Mike0284 on Apr 5, 2009 23:18:27 GMT -6
The big matches were really good. Anyone who didn't see the event really should. Sure there are some negative aspects that have been mentioned, but Undertaker vs. Shawn was as exciting as any Japanese match you probably like with every finisher being hit and guys taking moves onto the floor. The Money In The Bank and Brother vs. Brother matches were crazy. Cena pulled off some great stuff in his title match (flying Rocker Dropper to the outside, lifting both Edge and Big Show for the FU). Couldn't have stated it any better and as far as the Kid Rock performance goes, it just adds to the whole Entertainment aspect with the WWE now.
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Post by Vsavior on Apr 5, 2009 23:23:10 GMT -6
Hey I thought that Vince and everyone in the WWE 'hated' The Wrestler, yet Mickey Rourke gets a spot in Wrestlemania to KO Jericho. ??
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Post by damagegirl on Apr 5, 2009 23:25:24 GMT -6
The problem with marketing yourselves as an entertainment show is that no one takes you seriously...perhaps not even yourself.
Of course, the crux of the matter is that while the WWE does things this way, they are not a sport nor have they been entertaining for quite some time. I thought they were getting better last year when they starting really pushing CM Punk, but here we are, back to square one all over again.
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Post by Mike0284 on Apr 5, 2009 23:25:46 GMT -6
Oh how could I forget? Great seeing Ricky Steamboat doing the arm drags again. He's 56 but he moves like he was still 26. I would pay to see The Dragon wrestle for 30 or 60 minutes and not regret it.
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Post by Starscream on Apr 5, 2009 23:31:42 GMT -6
Hey I thought that Vince and everyone in the WWE 'hated' The Wrestler, yet Mickey Rourke gets a spot in Wrestlemania to KO Jericho. ?? but since it became successful they love it. That's business.
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Post by tswdm on Apr 5, 2009 23:36:46 GMT -6
The problem with marketing yourselves as an entertainment show is that no one takes you seriously...perhaps not even yourself. More than half of those G1 Climax combatants you plan to watch have appeared on Hustle.
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Post by damagegirl on Apr 5, 2009 23:38:51 GMT -6
The problem with marketing yourselves as an entertainment show is that no one takes you seriously...perhaps not even yourself. More than half of those G1 Climax combatants you plan to watch have appeared on Hustle. And your point is what exactly...? A lot of WWE wrestlers appeared for ROH. That doesn't make ROH a promotion filled with guys who like to clown around and stuff. It just means that a guy will take a job when there's money offered. With that being said, however, I've only watched one HUSTLE show and don't plan on watching any others. It's a ridiculously bad promotion.
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Post by Digestive Ceremony on Apr 5, 2009 23:41:32 GMT -6
Just turn off the TV, keep it off and go out and support ROH or something, it's easier than watching the WWE just to complain. Eggzactally. Personally, I'll be picking up both Supercard of Honor IV and Take No Prisoners 2009 when they come out. I'll probably never own Wrestlemania XXV. As a consumer, that's all you can really do. Hey I thought that Vince and everyone in the WWE 'hated' The Wrestler, yet Mickey Rourke gets a spot in Wrestlemania to KO Jericho. ?? Isn't that funny? Three legends of the business can't beat Jericho, but a horrible boxer turned actor can drop him. Don't get me wrong, I'll be picking up The Wrestler on DVD the week it comes out, but Mickey was a terrible boxer. The problem with marketing yourselves as an entertainment show is that no one takes you seriously...perhaps not even yourself. At the end of the day, there were still 72,000 people at the event. Millions of people still watch the weekly TV shows. In WWE's defense, why should they change? They're still the most popular wrestling company in the world.
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Post by damagegirl on Apr 5, 2009 23:49:55 GMT -6
The WWE is definitely worsening as time goes along. That's what I've noticed. I don't know if it's a case of Vince losing his touch or the workers not being as talented. But the times that they have tried introduce "entertainment" elements, these have often ended up bombing. Kid Rock is the latest example. They might as well have booked Limp Bizkit.
There are many reasons why you'd change. Because...you want to stay ahead of the curve? Because...you saw the fan reaction for a really good match and want more of that? Because...you can do even better financially with more wrestling elements in there?
One of the things that I think every WWE fan goes through is a period when they just get turned off to the product because the same things keep happening. I certainly went through it myself. There's no good reason that I can see why the WWE shouldn't try harder. After all, fans aren't paying to see good matches, they're paying simply because WWE is on the marquee. What would happen if they knew they were going to see a good show every time the WWE came to town? I like to think that they wouldn't put on disappointing shows, have fans booing their top face, and just do better overall.
However, this will probably not happen as the current management (not just Vince) wouldn't know a good match they were powerbombed by it. So they're going to continue they were they are. Which is fine for the fans who like the WWE now. For the future, I wonder though. I think there's a danger of having different people doing the same things, which is a negative for the promotion. The term "casual fan" that I hear so much probably came about because people simply don't want to commit long-term to televised wrestling.
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Post by tswdm on Apr 5, 2009 23:52:03 GMT -6
And your point is what exactly...? A lot of WWE wrestlers appeared for ROH. That doesn't make ROH a promotion filled with guys who like to clown around and stuff. It just means that a guy will take a job when there's money offered. With that being said, however, I've only watched one HUSTLE show and don't plan on watching any others. It's a ridiculously bad promotion. No point, just an interesting irony for you to consider. From your perspective it may be ridiculously bad, but it makes the most money of all the Japanese companies now with its comedy and entertainment thrown in. For about a year Yahoo! SportsNavi stopped covering New Japan events entirely and they began covering Hustle extensively. The ultra-serious wrestling companies headed by Maeda and Takada failed. Another interesting irony is you have a Beavis avatar but are against stupid entertainment.
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