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Post by emperorcorndog on May 30, 2012 14:32:44 GMT -6
I just wanted to throw out this idea. Since SHIMMER's roster is getting so huge now; what about a preliminary championship?
Maybe something for newbies or international stars; like a SPARKLE championship or a SHIMMER International title.
Thoughts?
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Post by Evergrey06 on May 30, 2012 14:40:28 GMT -6
It's an idea that comes up fairly often. I personally think the singles title and tag titles are enough at the moment, but I wouldn't complain if a second singles title was introduced. I wouldn't want to see it have a gimmick attached to it like "SPARKLE" or international wrestlers only, I would just rather it be the second tier title.
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Post by SHIMMER office on May 30, 2012 14:47:35 GMT -6
We considered it, but the popular opinion of the locker room was that it would water down the existing titles to add another. Also, in theory, what's the reason for a wrestler to aspire to hold a championship that is, by definition, lower in prestige than the other championship? Why wouldn't all of the wrestlers on the roster want the same top prize? One singles title. One tag title.
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Post by Yakity on May 30, 2012 15:02:44 GMT -6
We considered it, but the popular opinion of the locker room was that it would water down the existing titles to add another. Also, in theory, what's the reason for a wrestler to aspire to hold a championship that is, by definition, lower in prestige than the other championship? Why wouldn't all of the wrestlers on the roster want the same top prize? One singles title. One tag title. It'd give the midcarders something to look forward to and fight for. I think ROH did great when they invented the TV title.
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Post by JenniferL134 on May 30, 2012 15:03:43 GMT -6
We considered it, but the popular opinion of the locker room was that it would water down the existing titles to add another. Also, in theory, what's the reason for a wrestler to aspire to hold a championship that is, by definition, lower in prestige than the other championship? Why wouldn't all of the wrestlers on the roster want the same top prize? One singles title. One tag title. You must get so tired of explaining this every other month...
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Post by hamnegger on May 30, 2012 15:20:00 GMT -6
It probably shouldn't aggravate him that new fans are engaged in the product enough to have their own personal desires.
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Post by SHIMMER office on May 30, 2012 15:21:47 GMT -6
Though it is currently distracting me from working on 48. Enough of the BOARD. Closing window now.
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Post by Evergrey06 on May 30, 2012 15:38:24 GMT -6
We considered it, but the popular opinion of the locker room was that it would water down the existing titles to add another. Also, in theory, what's the reason for a wrestler to aspire to hold a championship that is, by definition, lower in prestige than the other championship? Why wouldn't all of the wrestlers on the roster want the same top prize? One singles title. One tag title. It'd give the midcarders something to look forward to and fight for. I think ROH did great when they invented the TV title. The idea is that the midcarders are already fighting for the right to get a shot at the existing 2 titles, which makes sense, at least to me. Would a 3rd title ruin the company? No. Is the lack of a third title currently ruining the company? No.
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Post by hamnegger on May 30, 2012 15:48:21 GMT -6
It could only benefit the product if the win-loss approach to title contention was abandoned. The way the league is constructed is you work your way up the card via a string of wins. That sort of makes a secondary title get in the way of things. Although lately it seems that approach to contendership is being less emphasized. There can't be a TV title. And there can't be an intercontinental title, unless you were to actually have somebody defend it regularly overseas in an attempt to further exposure. That, IMO, is the only way it would work, hypothetically speaking. It certainly isn't necessary, but if SHIMMER is still around in ten years, I whose to say there won't be one. It is regularly requested by new fans, and if the product continues to grow one would expect the question to continue being asked. One thing is for certain, SHIMMER does a very good job at addressing fan input and more often than not incorporating it into the product eventually - someway, somehow.
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Post by starplater on May 30, 2012 19:50:18 GMT -6
in theory, what's the reason for a wrestler to aspire to hold a championship that is, by definition, lower in prestige than the other championship? Perhaps it would be a reasonable goal for those with low self esteem...
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Post by danger on May 30, 2012 20:20:18 GMT -6
Cue Darth Vader.
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Post by emperorcorndog on May 31, 2012 6:16:54 GMT -6
in theory, what's the reason for a wrestler to aspire to hold a championship that is, by definition, lower in prestige than the other championship? Why wouldn't all of the wrestlers on the roster want the same top prize? One singles title. One tag title. Well, that's kind of like saying nobody in the WWF wanted the Intercontinental Title. IC title matches were often a spotlight match on the mid-card, and my suggestion for a 3rd title is related to the ever-growing roster in SHIMMER. If SHIMMER still had a small roster like the first few volumes; then it would be pointless, but with over 100 wrestlers now I think SHIMMER introducing it's version of the IC title would actually add some more excitement to the shows. Granted, a lot of companies today have way too many titles that have little value, but that doesn't mean one launchpad title would do anything but benefit the company IMO.
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Post by tystates on May 31, 2012 6:59:03 GMT -6
Should you guys be working on getting volume 45 out first instead of working on other volumes Shimmer office. Is WSU a bigger company cause they usually release the events like in a month, to bad WSU wrestling is crap. Agreed, takes too long for volumes to come out, but you will be told that's their choice to make because they use real disks and art and copy protection etc. WSU is not crap though. A lot of the Shimmer girls also work in WSU.
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Post by royaldc on May 31, 2012 7:12:09 GMT -6
To get that kind of overall quality, it takes time to put together and have manufactured professionally. Original double sided artwork, detailed menu art, factory printed disc art, pressed reliable DVDs (not burned discs with Sharpie writing on them), a four camera edit with replay packages, the works. Other indy promotions may choose to rush a fast edit with burned discs, that's their choice. To each their own.
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Post by Evergrey06 on May 31, 2012 7:17:10 GMT -6
in theory, what's the reason for a wrestler to aspire to hold a championship that is, by definition, lower in prestige than the other championship? Why wouldn't all of the wrestlers on the roster want the same top prize? One singles title. One tag title. Well, that's kind of like saying nobody in the WWF wanted the Intercontinental Title. IC title matches were often a spotlight match on the mid-card, and my suggestion for a 3rd title is related to the ever-growing roster in SHIMMER. If SHIMMER still had a small roster like the first few volumes; then it would be pointless, but with over 100 wrestlers now I think SHIMMER introducing it's version of the IC title would actually add some more excitement to the shows. Granted, a lot of companies today have way too many titles that have little value, but that doesn't mean one launchpad title would do anything but benefit the company IMO. They don't have 100 wrestlers ona show, that's just how many have wrestled since the start. At the moment, the cap is around 30 wrestlers per taping. The shows aren't really lacking in excitement, a match doesn't have to be for a belt to good.
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