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Post by Woo on Sept 10, 2015 10:40:20 GMT -6
I don't even think it matters if you win the match or not with how (unfortunately) "Smart" everyone is now. If you're a good wrestler, you're a good wrestler. And with Shimmer fans basically cheering anyone as long as they don't start skinning kittens in the middle of the ring (or aren't named Andy Long) you'll get some semblance of cheers. Spinelli just irked me to no end with her "please cheer for me please cheer for me". Ariel did it too but I also chalked that up to either her being tongue in cheek sarcastic or arrogant. Possibly both but it was Ariel so it was allowed, haha. I never really thought Ariel did it that much. I'm watching the old shows at the moment and she just walks to the ring slapping hands. She doesn't really do a big sing and dance about it. Nikki Roxx and Courtney Rush pandered a lot but people didn't mind it with them too. Cindy Rogers'entrance is the one I find most unbearable with her constant hopping round the ring like a bloody simpleton.
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Sept 15, 2015 6:49:18 GMT -6
I don't even think it matters if you win the match or not with how (unfortunately) "Smart" everyone is now. If you're a good wrestler, you're a good wrestler. And with Shimmer fans basically cheering anyone as long as they don't start skinning kittens in the middle of the ring (or aren't named Andy Long) you'll get some semblance of cheers. Spinelli just irked me to no end with her "please cheer for me please cheer for me". Ariel did it too but I also chalked that up to either her being tongue in cheek sarcastic or arrogant. Possibly both but it was Ariel so it was allowed, haha. I never really thought Ariel did it that much. I'm watching the old shows at the moment and she just walks to the ring slapping hands. She doesn't really do a big sing and dance about it. Nikki Roxx and Courtney Rush pandered a lot but people didn't mind it with them too. Cindy Rogers'entrance is the one I find most unbearable with her constant hopping round the ring like a bloody simpleton. Oy, Cindy Rogers you bring up. The sad thing is I would easily rank her in the top 5 of best workers ever in Shimmer, she was just so unlikeable either as a face or heel. No charisma either just....meh.. who cares? I wonder if I would have became a fan if all the craptastic wrestlers worked the first show I saw. A card with just Rogers, Josie, Summerlyn, Spinelli, Von Tash, Cruise, Mena, Social, Ricci, Amber O'Neal on hand to ensure 53 moves get effed up per match and Lorelei Lee... What a show.
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Post by ratetankmark on Sept 15, 2015 15:26:52 GMT -6
I never really thought Ariel did it that much. I'm watching the old shows at the moment and she just walks to the ring slapping hands. She doesn't really do a big sing and dance about it. Nikki Roxx and Courtney Rush pandered a lot but people didn't mind it with them too. Cindy Rogers'entrance is the one I find most unbearable with her constant hopping round the ring like a bloody simpleton. Oy, Cindy Rogers you bring up. The sad thing is I would easily rank her in the top 5 of best workers ever in Shimmer, she was just so unlikeable either as a face or heel. No charisma either just....meh.. who cares? I wonder if I would have became a fan if all the craptastic wrestlers worked the first show I saw. A card with just Rogers, Josie, Summerlyn, Spinelli, Von Tash, Cruise, Mena, Social, Ricci, Amber O'Neal on hand to ensure 53 moves get effed up per match and Lorelei Lee... What a show. I'd take Mena out of that bracket. She's probably one of the most underrated US wrestlers Shimmer have ever had.
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Post by Woo on Sept 16, 2015 12:02:47 GMT -6
I never really thought Ariel did it that much. I'm watching the old shows at the moment and she just walks to the ring slapping hands. She doesn't really do a big sing and dance about it. Nikki Roxx and Courtney Rush pandered a lot but people didn't mind it with them too. Cindy Rogers'entrance is the one I find most unbearable with her constant hopping round the ring like a bloody simpleton. Oy, Cindy Rogers you bring up. The sad thing is I would easily rank her in the top 5 of best workers ever in Shimmer, she was just so unlikeable either as a face or heel. No charisma either just....meh.. who cares? I wonder if I would have became a fan if all the craptastic wrestlers worked the first show I saw. A card with just Rogers, Josie, Summerlyn, Spinelli, Von Tash, Cruise, Mena, Social, Ricci, Amber O'Neal on hand to ensure 53 moves get effed up per match and Lorelei Lee... What a show. I actually grew to really like Rachel. I am actually watching and reviewing the Shimmer shows at the moment and have seen the first 10 and while I agree that Rogers was great at executing moves, especially submissions, she seemed to have no idea of how to piece a match together as there is just no flow to her matches.
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Sept 17, 2015 6:52:05 GMT -6
My ritual is always watching the dvd's before the weekend to get fired up. Problem being is there's so many now you practically have to start watching immediately after the last set of tapings to see them all. Lol. I think I started too late since I;m only up to 36 or 37 right now and there's, what, 31 volumes left in just 23 days? D'oh
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Sept 17, 2015 7:48:02 GMT -6
Oy, Cindy Rogers you bring up. The sad thing is I would easily rank her in the top 5 of best workers ever in Shimmer, she was just so unlikeable either as a face or heel. No charisma either just....meh.. who cares? I wonder if I would have became a fan if all the craptastic wrestlers worked the first show I saw. A card with just Rogers, Josie, Summerlyn, Spinelli, Von Tash, Cruise, Mena, Social, Ricci, Amber O'Neal on hand to ensure 53 moves get effed up per match and Lorelei Lee... What a show. I actually grew to really like Rachel. I am actually watching and reviewing the Shimmer shows at the moment and have seen the first 10 and while I agree that Rogers was great at executing moves, especially submissions, she seemed to have no idea of how to piece a match together as there is just no flow to her matches. Yeah, you mentioned that dumb hippity side saddle thing Cindy did and I immediately knew what you meant. Rachel also did that flippy floppy I just got off the little yellow bus walk of hers that annoyed the piss outta me.
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Post by Woo on Sept 17, 2015 11:44:47 GMT -6
I actually grew to really like Rachel. I am actually watching and reviewing the Shimmer shows at the moment and have seen the first 10 and while I agree that Rogers was great at executing moves, especially submissions, she seemed to have no idea of how to piece a match together as there is just no flow to her matches. Yeah, you mentioned that dumb hippity side saddle thing Cindy did and I immediately knew what you meant. Rachel also did that flippy floppy I just got off the little yellow bus walk of hers that annoyed the piss outta me. Haha I'm a long way from Rachel Summerlyn at the moment! As for best walk to the ring I have to say Eden Black's is just insane! She just sprints round the ring and spins round so fast it's amazing that she doesn't fall over. Gets me so pyshced for her matches I hae just watched Alicia's first match and promo and.... was very entertained by her! The heat she gets is crazy and the damn fans just won't shut up when she's trying to talk. I might just be in a good mood as I haven't minded the last two Josie matches from Volumes 9-10 either and didn't think the Anne Brookstone match was as awful as I remembered it!
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Sept 18, 2015 6:35:12 GMT -6
Yeah, you mentioned that dumb hippity side saddle thing Cindy did and I immediately knew what you meant. Rachel also did that flippy floppy I just got off the little yellow bus walk of hers that annoyed the piss outta me. Haha I'm a long way from Rachel Summerlyn at the moment! As for best walk to the ring I have to say Eden Black's is just insane! She just sprints round the ring and spins round so fast it's amazing that she doesn't fall over. Gets me so pyshced for her matches I hae just watched Alicia's first match and promo and.... was very entertained by her! The heat she gets is crazy and the damn fans just won't shut up when she's trying to talk. I might just be in a good mood as I haven't minded the last two Josie matches from Volumes 9-10 either and didn't think the Anne Brookstone match was as awful as I remembered it! Ugh Eden Black. Another one on my Worst Ever list. I despised Lita the first time I saw her and wannabe-Lita was 10 times worse. It was only used 1 time but Veronika Vice's walk to the ring as a solo in her first run in Shimmer I thought was cool. Too bad once she got in the ring and the music stopped that ended any and all coolness for Vice. Another example of Danger doing everything to help the company and the women get over, her jobbing to Vice.
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Sept 18, 2015 6:37:52 GMT -6
Another thing..all the hate for Ann Thraxx I really don't get. Did she fit the Shimmer mold? Not in the least. But everyone "blames" her and calls her the worst this or that. That was the crappy weekend when Dave had all those no-shows. Ann came in to help out. She should at least be respected and thanked for trying to do something good and help Shimmer instead she just gets crapped on.
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Post by Stevie on Sept 18, 2015 8:26:43 GMT -6
Haha I'm a long way from Rachel Summerlyn at the moment! As for best walk to the ring I have to say Eden Black's is just insane! She just sprints round the ring and spins round so fast it's amazing that she doesn't fall over. Gets me so pyshced for her matches I hae just watched Alicia's first match and promo and.... was very entertained by her! The heat she gets is crazy and the damn fans just won't shut up when she's trying to talk. I might just be in a good mood as I haven't minded the last two Josie matches from Volumes 9-10 either and didn't think the Anne Brookstone match was as awful as I remembered it! Ugh Eden Black. Another one on my Worst Ever list. I despised Lita the first time I saw her and wannabe-Lita was 10 times worse. It was only used 1 time but Veronika Vice's walk to the ring as a solo in her first run in Shimmer I thought was cool. Too bad once she got in the ring and the music stopped that ended any and all coolness for Vice. Another example of Danger doing everything to help the company and the women get over, her jobbing to Vice. Calling Eden Black a "wannabe Lita" means I really do have to ask: Have you ever actually seen Eden Black or Lita wrestle?
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Post by Woo on Sept 18, 2015 15:45:14 GMT -6
Haha I'm a long way from Rachel Summerlyn at the moment! As for best walk to the ring I have to say Eden Black's is just insane! She just sprints round the ring and spins round so fast it's amazing that she doesn't fall over. Gets me so pyshced for her matches I hae just watched Alicia's first match and promo and.... was very entertained by her! The heat she gets is crazy and the damn fans just won't shut up when she's trying to talk. I might just be in a good mood as I haven't minded the last two Josie matches from Volumes 9-10 either and didn't think the Anne Brookstone match was as awful as I remembered it! Ugh Eden Black. Another one on my Worst Ever list. I despised Lita the first time I saw her and wannabe-Lita was 10 times worse. It was only used 1 time but Veronika Vice's walk to the ring as a solo in her first run in Shimmer I thought was cool. Too bad once she got in the ring and the music stopped that ended any and all coolness for Vice. Another example of Danger doing everything to help the company and the women get over, her jobbing to Vice. Wow, I really thought everyone loved Eden! Her matches with Rain. Lacey and especially Ringer were all fantastic I thought!
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Sept 21, 2015 6:56:53 GMT -6
Ugh Eden Black. Another one on my Worst Ever list. I despised Lita the first time I saw her and wannabe-Lita was 10 times worse. It was only used 1 time but Veronika Vice's walk to the ring as a solo in her first run in Shimmer I thought was cool. Too bad once she got in the ring and the music stopped that ended any and all coolness for Vice. Another example of Danger doing everything to help the company and the women get over, her jobbing to Vice. Calling Eden Black a "wannabe Lita" means I really do have to ask: Have you ever actually seen Eden Black or Lita wrestle? Yes, they both sucked. My opinion. You have yours.
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Sept 21, 2015 6:58:13 GMT -6
Ugh Eden Black. Another one on my Worst Ever list. I despised Lita the first time I saw her and wannabe-Lita was 10 times worse. It was only used 1 time but Veronika Vice's walk to the ring as a solo in her first run in Shimmer I thought was cool. Too bad once she got in the ring and the music stopped that ended any and all coolness for Vice. Another example of Danger doing everything to help the company and the women get over, her jobbing to Vice. Wow, I really thought everyone loved Eden! Her matches with Rain. Lacey and especially Ringer were all fantastic I thought! In rewatching those dvd's her matches are immediate fast forwards for me. But, I do admit, I saw a match of hers in England teaming with Jetta that was quite good. She seemed MUCH better as a heel.
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Sept 21, 2015 7:55:27 GMT -6
Ugh Eden Black. Another one on my Worst Ever list. I despised Lita the first time I saw her and wannabe-Lita was 10 times worse. It was only used 1 time but Veronika Vice's walk to the ring as a solo in her first run in Shimmer I thought was cool. Too bad once she got in the ring and the music stopped that ended any and all coolness for Vice. Another example of Danger doing everything to help the company and the women get over, her jobbing to Vice. Calling Eden Black a "wannabe Lita" means I really do have to ask: Have you ever actually seen Eden Black or Lita wrestle? I'll answer a little less snarky. I don't like the STYLE. I think lucha libre is absolute crap and an insult to pro wrestling. That means any of that flippy dippy stuff. Garbage. You want to do that be a gymnast. But that's me, I'm old school I guess. Yes I'm the kind who prefers a 10 minute chinlock to 826 degree rotation flips that mean absolutely nothing because no one sells anything. I also don't like the 12 inch thick kick pads so people can kick full strength as well as people who chop others into oblivion. Yeah, Mercedes was great but still... to me the art is making it like it hurts but not actually hurting someone. Where is the art in chopping someone 100 times, making them bleed...you really DID hurt them, that's not an art. All Lita did was flip. Big deal. Eden just...bleh. Does the flippy dippy I'm gonna land in a certain way just for you even though it makes no sense and doesn't happen in any other matches like Rey Misterio make kids pop? Unfortunately. But that's not my fault.
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Post by ratetankmark on Sept 21, 2015 9:10:31 GMT -6
Calling Eden Black a "wannabe Lita" means I really do have to ask: Have you ever actually seen Eden Black or Lita wrestle? I'll answer a little less snarky. I don't like the STYLE. I think lucha libre is absolute crap and an insult to pro wrestling. That means any of that flippy dippy stuff. Garbage. You want to do that be a gymnast. But that's me, I'm old school I guess. Yes I'm the kind who prefers a 10 minute chinlock to 826 degree rotation flips that mean absolutely nothing because no one sells anything. I also don't like the 12 inch thick kick pads so people can kick full strength as well as people who chop others into oblivion. Yeah, Mercedes was great but still... to me the art is making it like it hurts but not actually hurting someone. Where is the art in chopping someone 100 times, making them bleed...you really DID hurt them, that's not an art. All Lita did was flip. Big deal. Eden just...bleh. Does the flippy dippy I'm gonna land in a certain way just for you even though it makes no sense and doesn't happen in any other matches like Rey Misterio make kids pop? Unfortunately. But that's not my fault. Never underestimate flips; in my opinion I love both styles, I'm a fan of a technical masterpiece but I also love a good 'Got to get my **** in' spot-fest. Sometimes I find a hold for hold exchange boring and choose to watch a spot-monkey match. And sometimes it's vice-versa. In fairness Kenta Kobashi chops the **** out of people and you're not going to seriously say that he isn't one of the best wrestlers of all time? Same with The Young Bucks, they have become one of the best and most in-demand tag teams in the world because of their self-awareness and their over-use of superkicks. If it gets you booked and it makes you cash then keep doing it. Also noticing something, on the no selling thing, I saw Ayako Hamada kick-out of a Hellbound at one! I love Hamada as much as they next Shimmer fan but that is a case of no-selling.
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