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Post by JessAndreia on Apr 1, 2015 15:29:03 GMT -6
Maybe. But there was the tension after Matthews teamed with Eagles, then Matthews left Portia 4 on 1 in Autumn, then Portia couldn't get hold of Nicole on the phone (unless that was solely played for laughs) and now this. It has been going on for a while, but maybe it's so that when they do split we'll eventually feel sorry for Portia and be on her side after how Matthews is treating her? How can we feel sorry for someone who tried to kill Danger's baby.
Nicole maybe a dick but she at least she wouldn't attack someone's baby...not yet anyway. I feel like this is a bad argument regarding why Portia couldn't start being a good person now. That thing between Portia and Danger happened long ago. People can change. Does that mean every wrestler in wrestling ever who's done some cruel things can't change and start being a good person?
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Post by ratetankmark on Apr 1, 2015 15:31:20 GMT -6
How can we feel sorry for someone who tried to kill Danger's baby.
Nicole maybe a dick but she at least she wouldn't attack someone's baby...not yet anyway. I feel like this is a bad argument regarding why Portia couldn't start being a good person now. That thing between Portia and Danger happened long ago. People can change. Does that mean every wrestler in wrestling ever who's done some cruel things can't change and start being a good person? True but it is a pretty serious thing. I'm not saying that Portia wouldn't be a good babyface but it may take Nicole to beat her within an inch of her life for that to happen (I can imagine Portia doing a great job of selling a Matthews beat-down, were it to happen)
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Apr 1, 2015 15:50:47 GMT -6
I may be entirely insane, but I could see Portia being a very convincing face against Nicole. Portia is doing all this stuff to help her keep her title, but now Nicole can't even give her the time of day? And she she does, she's yelling at her? She's chaaaaanged, man!
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Post by Woo on Apr 1, 2015 16:09:11 GMT -6
Maybe. But there was the tension after Matthews teamed with Eagles, then Matthews left Portia 4 on 1 in Autumn, then Portia couldn't get hold of Nicole on the phone (unless that was solely played for laughs) and now this. It has been going on for a while, but maybe it's so that when they do split we'll eventually feel sorry for Portia and be on her side after how Matthews is treating her? Why would the crowd feel sorry for someone who's constantly helping a cheater win, though? When Havok went after Portia after she accidentally hit her with a wrench I thought that could have been the start of a slow babyface turn for Portia, but now she's still helping Nicole cheat all the time, I don't think so anymore. Pretty much what Crusty Ruffles said above really. Portia is constantly helping Matthews and Nicole is treating her like crap and using her as a sacraficial lamb to take beatings in her place. I could eventually see Portia just having enough like Wrestling Superstar Virgil on Debiase, Batista on HHH or Mizdow on Miz and just snapping and attacking Nicole.
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Post by ratetankmark on Apr 1, 2015 16:15:49 GMT -6
Why would the crowd feel sorry for someone who's constantly helping a cheater win, though? When Havok went after Portia after she accidentally hit her with a wrench I thought that could have been the start of a slow babyface turn for Portia, but now she's still helping Nicole cheat all the time, I don't think so anymore. Pretty much what Crusty Ruffles said above really. Portia is constantly helping Matthews and Nicole is treating her like crap and using her as a sacraficial lamb to take beatings in her place. I could eventually see Portia just having enough like Wrestling Superstar Virgil on Debiase, Batista on HHH or Mizdow on Miz and just snapping and attacking Nicole. I could get behind that, especially if it's a slow build up. Remember the days when people thought Portia was the star of the ninjas? How times have changed.
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Post by JessAndreia on Apr 1, 2015 16:29:36 GMT -6
I may be entirely insane, but I could see Portia being a very convincing face against Nicole. Portia is doing all this stuff to help her keep her title, but now Nicole can't even give her the time of day? And she she does, she's yelling at her? She's chaaaaanged, man! You have a point, and I have no doubts Portia would be a good babyface (I think I even said in an earlier post in this thread that her work as babyface is sometimes underrated by fans), although like ratetankmark said it would take quite a lot to get the crowd to side with Portia. I'm just not currently getting any feeling that they are going to split. Maybe because talk about them splitting every time they argue has been happening for so long now that I don't even consider it anymore. I don't know if I want to be wrong or right. On one hand, I'd like to see a face Portia in SHIMMER and Nicole vs. Portia would be pretty cool. On another hand, I really like the Canadian Ninjas as team and don't want them to split. Nicole has definitely become the most evil person of the team. I guess whatever happens these next April tapings may give us a better indication if anything will happens between the Ninjas.
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Post by Woo on Apr 1, 2015 16:56:19 GMT -6
Yeah Nicole is becoming evil and Dave made a point in commentary that she may now be even more evil than Portia, whereas before I always got the impression that Portia was the more heelish one who kept getting into blood feuds with the likes of Danger, Deeb & Havok and then dragging Matthews down with her into them.
Well the seeds of a split (if that's what they were) only started a year ago at the last iPPV so this has only been going on for 12 months. Seeing as the Eagles/Matthews friends/enemies storyline also went on for 12 months I don't think it's a stretch. I think Dave knows that IF Portia will turn face they will need A LOT of time to build her up and make fans empathise with her.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Apr 1, 2015 18:11:40 GMT -6
I honestly don't think it'd be that hard to get the crowd to buy into Portia as a face. If Nicole's "evil" ways go over the top sinister, it could just be too much for Portia and she stands up to her for it.
But that's all the armchair booking I'm doing tonight....
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Post by drox73 on Apr 4, 2015 18:31:53 GMT -6
here's an idea what if at volume at Volume 75 we get a match between Nicole and Tomoka Nakagawa No DQ anyways Portia comes out tries to throw fire in Tomoka's face but hits Nicole by mistake Tomoka Pins Nicole and Nicole gets a taste of her own Medicine and we more than likely get a bayface turn and then for Volumes 76-79 not have Nicole show up until 79 and challenge Portia to a hardcore rules which is Nicole's specialty that would be believable and w also we could get a feud between Nicole and Tessa Blanchard and heck Nicole vs Saraya Knight could be classic as well Nicole reminds of a Female Mick Foley or TNA's Nikki Roxx she's hardcore the same things she does as a heel can be done as a babyface well minus the fire throwing but yeah I think turning Nicole babyface isn't a bad idea it just has to be done right and if Shimmer does it the Fans chant out Marty when Portia Wrestles
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Apr 7, 2015 8:46:00 GMT -6
The bottom line is it is what it is. This is pro wrestling and we're wrestling fans which means no matter how loved you are, you can get booed as a heel and no matter how hated and you are you can be cheered as a face. At least if you're good at your job anyway. Nature of the beast. And Shimmer fans cheer everyone anyway.
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Post by ratetankmark on Apr 7, 2015 9:58:01 GMT -6
The bottom line is it is what it is. This is pro wrestling and we're wrestling fans which means no matter how loved you are, you can get booed as a heel and no matter how hated and you are you can be cheered as a face. At least if you're good at your job anyway. Nature of the beast. And Shimmer fans cheer everyone anyway. I'm just waiting for the day where a Shimmer heel gets a babyface reaction and they intentionally awesome move or blow spots just to get a heel reaction.
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Post by Demonic Eeyore on Apr 10, 2015 8:26:43 GMT -6
Kong sorta did a while back. No one got s bigger face pop than Kong and during the match and the fans begged for a forearm smash or something and she teased it then stopped like "you don't deserve it". Cant recall who against. Maybe Lorelei Lee or Danyah?
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Post by lowrider12 on Apr 13, 2015 21:54:56 GMT -6
I was actually hoping that Perez would win the #1 contender match in Shimmer 73. That would have set up a great championship bout.
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Post by lowrider12 on Apr 13, 2015 21:56:54 GMT -6
And Shimmer fans cheer everyone anyway. I resemble that remark.
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Post by drox73 on Apr 13, 2015 22:45:19 GMT -6
better than cheering the bellas or the bps the worst wrestler in Shimmer is better than the bellas
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