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Post by ratetankmark on Nov 15, 2014 9:21:10 GMT -6
I know that I'm one of the ones who was supporting her, and I still do support her as a wrestler, but what would Melissa have to do to get booed by the whole audience? In the other Melissa thread there was talk about her still getting cheers but is she going to have to curbstomp the people who cheer her?
Edit: I imagine if she wants to be totally hated, maybe Melissa should go hipster, rimmed glasses and wearing a scarf with saying things like 'I curbstomped people before it was cool' everyone hate's hipsters. Also since Nicole technically burned Madison's face does that mean Melissa is no longer the biggest heel on the roster?
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Post by freaky on Nov 15, 2014 14:42:30 GMT -6
Eat a live panda.
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Post by ratetankmark on Nov 15, 2014 14:47:43 GMT -6
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Post by Woo on Nov 21, 2014 18:44:54 GMT -6
If her fans refuse to boo her like she wants, what can she do?
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Post by stevea21 on Nov 23, 2014 0:59:03 GMT -6
She certainly got the appropriate reaction for a heel when she lost the title a few weeks ago. I don't understand the concern about the reaction that she gets. She's a well-respected veteran so she gets a mixed reaction when she comes out, but I don't recall her getting cheered anytime that she did things that were particularly evil. It all seems right to me.
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Post by Duke of Bridgewater on Nov 23, 2014 8:09:57 GMT -6
Why is the question whether or not Melissa is really hated such a big deal?
Have there been similar discussions for Sara Del Rey or Madison Eagles?
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Post by Woo on Nov 27, 2014 19:18:44 GMT -6
Why is the question whether or not Melissa is really hated such a big deal? Have there been similar discussions for Sara Del Rey or Madison Eagles? Not for Eagles no. Eagles always got booed though. It's only since she's returned that people have started to cheer her, but she's slowly been turning face anyway really. As for Sara Del Rey again she got the desried reactions all the time. Some say the fans turned her heel, but she was clearly on the cusp of a turn on Volume 17 anyway I feel. So there wouldn't be a need for such a thread with them two because for whatever reasosn, be it them playing the roles better, Melissa being a more beloved face, or the fans not refusing to go along with it, they always got the right reaction |
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Post by Duke of Bridgewater on Nov 28, 2014 0:48:18 GMT -6
For me, Melissa's heel turn doesn't make much sense indeed.
Sara Del Rey turned heel after losing the belt. Madison Eagles did it to get that extra momentum to win it.
(Others, like Daizee Haze or Mercedes Martinez, also turned when it looked like they might get lost in the shuffle as babyfaces.)
Melissa had just won the belt back after a grueling feud with Saraya. And, even as a face, her style has always been rather brutal. No need to add rulebraking tactics to win matches.
So her turning heel by attacking Leva Bates, a midcarder who is no threat for her, and the retiring Allison Danger seems illogical. It looks more like the booker's brainchild, so why boo the wrestler?
I don't know how the story continues after Volume 60, as I try to avoid spoilers as much as possible. Maybe everything will fall into place eventually.
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Post by DJWeedPizza on Nov 28, 2014 1:52:22 GMT -6
If you view the story from a wider angle, Melissa got very little breathing time from winning the title off Eagles to being pursued by Saraya and her goons. Whether Rhia, Saraya herself, or paid help from the Ninjas, Melissa had a major target on her back. It's the trope "to fight the monsters, she had to become one" sort of deal. Melissa going way overboard on Leva or refusing to break a submission goes beyond what Saraya would do outside a major blood feud. Outside of a few hated rivals, Saraya only works bell to bell and doesn't really involve herself once there's no more match. Melissa spoiling the mood of a feel-good retirement match by not breaking a submission is fairly dastardly.
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Post by Duke of Bridgewater on Nov 28, 2014 2:49:30 GMT -6
It's very dastardly, that's the point. Can we suspend disbelief and act like Melissa really made this sudden change? Or is it too abrupt?
Wrestling isn't just motion, it's emotion. In a match, if someone just performs crazy moves without believable psychology, some may like it, but others will not. For me, ultra-fast matches with tons of two-counts are often boring, because when the spots make no sense, there is no anticipation for what comes next. It's better to slow down.
In an angle, it can be just the same. By changing too drastically and acting too heelish, it becomes the equivalent of a spot fest. I think, to make her heel character work, Melissa has to turn it down, not up. The fans don't want Melissa being a heel? Make them believe that she's turning face (or at least tweener) again, and than, after some good matches without acting dastardly, laugh in their faces and stay heel!
(Since I don't know how it developed since Vol. 60, it may be obsolete now though.)
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