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Post by royaldc on Feb 19, 2012 15:44:15 GMT -6
First off, I didn't see the show. I may be off base in what I'm about to post. Sorry if I am. I'm going on what I've seen from Eve in the past.
I see a few complaints about the booking so far, one of them being Rhia O'Reilly "jobbing out on the undercard again." Was she "jobbed out" or did she have a competitive match? I've seen several comments that she had a good match. Isn't that what really matters? For argument's sake, let's say she won, rather than lost, her first round match. That would have meant that she would face Kay Lee Ray in the second round (instead of KLR facing Davids). Considering KLR's role in the tournament was to go all the way to the finals but come up short, defeating a strong and credible opponent in round two would be essential to establishing her. Would a win over O'Reilly, or a win over Davids, have meant more for her credibility based on previous booking? Davids is the obvious choice. If O'Reilly deserves to not lose as often in the future, that can be argued. But for this particular tournament, it wouldn't have made much sense to me.
I also saw the comment about Janey B in a "designated jobber" role, when you get the feeling that she can take it to another level. While that may be the case, not everyone can be at the top of the card (or even the upper half of the card). A full show needs undercard wrestlers. From what I've seen of her so far, she seems to be performing in that role fairly well. Comparing to SHIMMER, I'm one of those who really appreciates somebody like Kellie Skater and I think that if she were pushed to main events she could deliver. I also see that she is a great opening match act to get things started for a show. Maybe it's not the same because Kellie does win matches occasionally, but I think you get what I mean. If everybody's a main eventer, then there's no undercard, and everybody's at the same level. If everybody's at the same level, wins and losses become meaningless.
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Post by rakblad on Feb 19, 2012 17:21:11 GMT -6
I appreciated most of the iPPV, except that I am getting genuinely tired of EVE's over-use of three way matches. A lot of things was really good and nothing felt atrocious. Since everybody assumed that Nikki Storm was going all the way I can’t really see why they didn't let her have a few clean and decisive victories.
Alpha Female and Jenny Sjodin had a match that was truly exciting throughout and left both looking strong; even if the ending was a something of a disappointment. On the other hand I can understand the reasoning behind it. Jenny appeared to be more over with the crowd than Alpha, something that at least surprised me a bit.
Most people did just about what was expected of them, but the two that exceeded all expectations was in my opinion April Davids and Rhia O'Reilly. This was without a doubt the single best performance I have ever seen out of Rhia so far. It is hardly good judgment to let someone that you plan to use job this many consecutive times, but on the other hand; Rhia doesn’t seem THAT affected by jobbing since the fans feels that she is for real and she carries herself like a winner...
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Post by scarletspider on Feb 19, 2012 17:26:05 GMT -6
I see a few complaints about the booking so far, one of them being Rhia O'Reilly "jobbing out on the undercard again." Was she "jobbed out" or did she have a competitive match? I've seen several comments that she had a good match. Isn't that what really matters Yes and no. I guess for me there was a sense of inevitability to her loss, based on how she's been used on previous Eve shows. And as good as she has been in a heel role since her somewhat random turn, it's just felt like it was a case of 'balancing the sides' after the gradual turns of April and Jenny who, now that all the gym affiliation stuff seems to have finally faded away, are basically both faces now. Cos she's still filling that undercard role as a heel, just as she did as a face. Speaking for meself, I guess it just bugged me that little bit more this time around, cos the tournament nature of the show meant that we could have seen more Rhia, but we didn't. For argument's sake, let's say she won, rather than lost, her first round match. That would have meant that she would face Kay Lee Ray in the second round (instead of KLR facing Davids). Considering KLR's role in the tournament was to go all the way to the finals but come up short, defeating a strong and credible opponent in round two would be essential to establishing her. Would a win over O'Reilly, or a win over Davids, have meant more for her credibility based on previous booking? Davids is the obvious choice. If O'Reilly deserves to not lose as often in the future, that can be argued. But for this particular tournament, it wouldn't have made much sense to me. If Rhia had already beaten April in the first round, maybe even clean, then that credibilty is already there. Besides, I don't think April's previous booking make her significantly more credible (in terms of previous shows and results). And again, it goes back to that same question. How do you gain credibility if you aren't being booked as such. I think Kay Lee vs Rhia would have made for a better semi-final anyway. I'll put me hand up and admit to still being an MMA Scully, and it's obviously hard to judge how good April and Kay Lee's match might have been if it hadn't been cut short. But we'd already had a heel/heel match for the first semi, and now we had face vs face. And even with that aside, I honestly think Kay Lee's style of wrestling would have been a better fit with Rhia than April's hybrid style (which is still more MMA than Pro-W) I also saw the comment about Janey B in a "designated jobber" role, when you get the feeling that she can take it to another level. While that may be the case, not everyone can be at the top of the card (or even the upper half of the card). A full show needs undercard wrestlers. From what I've seen of her so far, she seems to be performing in that role fairly well. Comparing to SHIMMER, I'm one of those who really appreciates somebody like Kellie Skater and I think that if she were pushed to main events she could deliver. I also see that she is a great opening match act to get things started for a show. Maybe it's not the same because Kellie does win matches occasionally, but I think you get what I mean. If everybody's a main eventer, then there's no undercard, and everybody's at the same level. If everybody's at the same level, wins and losses become meaningless. But isn't that also true if the same people keep winning and losing? I think the problem Eve's had to date is that it's struggled to maintain storylines/feuds from show to show (usually through no fault of their own) and so there's sometimes a sense that people are stuck in certain roles. Eve built up the big gym affiliation thing and Jetta's return, and ultimately it didn't really come to anything. And the parting of the ways with the WAWW talent also had an impact on how stories and feuds did and didn't progress, as did this iPPV, which naturally didn't want to bog potentially new viewers down with excessive back-story. But as a result of all that, there's not really been any sense of progression for some of the wrestlers on the card. You're right, in that it's impossible for everyone to be at the same level at the same time. But equally, you don't want to see anyone in a holding pattern for too long either. |
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Post by prowrestlingeve on Feb 22, 2012 8:44:04 GMT -6
Just a quicky to say replays are still available to watch, just £9.95 and its yours to watch immediately at www.Diva-Dirt.com/EVEliveAdditionally upcoming EVE match appearances are as follows: Friday Feb 24: EVE @ Southside Wrestling: Gym Combat, Nottingham 7pm bell, "The Dynamite Queen" Nikki Storm vs "The Lancashire Terrier" April Davids Saturday March 4: EVE @ Southside Wrestling: Priory Centre, St Neots, 7.15pm bell "The Dynamite Queen" Nikki Storm vs "The All Star" Erin Angel Sunday April 1st EVE @ BritWresFest, Coronet Theatre, Elephant & Castle, London, Bell Time TBA Sunday April 1st EVE @ Memorabilia, NEC Arena, Birmingham, Various show times throughout the day |
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Post by NSC on Feb 22, 2012 8:46:57 GMT -6
I'm wondering if all the matches that took place outside of EVE but still under EVE banner were taped and eventually if they will be added to future DVD releases as Bonus contents
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Post by prowrestlingeve on Feb 22, 2012 8:53:38 GMT -6
Yes and yes though some may also appear as freebies on YouTube
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Post by NSC on Feb 22, 2012 8:57:24 GMT -6
Oh, ok, thanks for the quick answer
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Post by scarletspider on Feb 29, 2012 2:06:38 GMT -6
Out of curiousity, does anyone know why Holly Rocamora wasn't at the Sudbury show? I know she was never formally announced as going to be there, but after the big announcement of her joining the Eve roster (in this very thread) and then making her Eve debut against Nikki Storm at SWE (after which, she gave a little interview to Ringbelles saying she hoped to be at the February show), I was expecting/hoping to see her there.
Was it a case of the card being too full, or which she simply unavailable?
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Post by royaldc on Feb 29, 2012 2:30:24 GMT -6
I think you answered your own question by pointing out she was never scheduled to be there. Nobody should expect someone who isn't advertised to be at a show.
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Post by scarletspider on Feb 29, 2012 3:03:23 GMT -6
I think you answered your own question by pointing out she was never scheduled to be there. Nobody should expect someone who isn't advertised to be at a show. True. But after the big announcement of her joining the roster and her comments to Ringbelles, I think it was natural to have thought that she might have been on the show. You're right, in that if she wasn't advertised, then there were no guarantees of course. Besides, even if someone is advertised to be on a show, there's still no absolute guarantee. Stuff happens, real life happens, things sometimes have to change. So I'm not suggesting for a moment that Eve promised something and didn't deliver. As I said, I was just curious as to why she wasn't there. |
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Post by royaldc on Feb 29, 2012 3:34:06 GMT -6
I suspect she wasn't on the show for the same reason Dennis Stamp wasn't initially scheduled to be on Funk's retirement show in Amarillo.
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Post by scarletspider on Feb 29, 2012 3:48:43 GMT -6
I suspect she wasn't on the show for the same reason Dennis Stamp wasn't initially scheduled to be on Funk's retirement show in Amarillo. He didn't know the way there? |
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Post by freaky on Feb 29, 2012 5:33:53 GMT -6
Real life got in the way. Let's just leave it at that.
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Post by scarletspider on Feb 29, 2012 6:43:19 GMT -6
Gottit.
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Post by themib on Feb 29, 2012 7:05:36 GMT -6
In other news, Sjodin and Alpha will rematch on April 1st at the BritWresFest in London, not sure if the title is on the line in that match.
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