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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2011 17:18:27 GMT -6
I don't know why they don't do a heel vs heel match in shimmer. There are so many face vs face matches. I'M not saying have one at every taping but once in a while would be nice. They do have heel vs. heel: Knight Wagner vs. Jordan McIntyre. ...McIntyre. |
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Post by MC LevaMark on Mar 30, 2011 1:01:08 GMT -6
The more that time passes, the more that I'm souring on the second title change. Simply for the fact that putting the titles right back on another heel team throws us right back into the same sort of limbo that they were in while the Ninjas were champions in that there isn't a lot of strong face teams for them to defend against. Wheras if the titles stay on 3S, they can face either heel or face teams and so the title situation is really wide open and lots of teams can get shots. Plus, with the tag title switch, it left a forgone conclusion in a lot of people's heads about the main event that Madison would retain since it was highly unlikely there'd be two title switches back to back on the same volume. Don't get me wrong, Madison/Ayako was an amazing contest with great crowd support but I do think that had 3S retained, Hamada would have benefited from the fans thinking she really could walk out with the belt and the crowd heat would have been even more nuclear for that match. I will concede the point that giving one of the titles to Daizee means that now they can cut actual promos for their defenses which 3S could not do (at least not very well due to their limited English). But by the same token, how many promos are there during a SHIMMER show anyway? And what's stopping the opponents from doing the promos if there even is one at all? So I don't know. Maybe it's just because I'm a huge mark for Misaki and her and Matsumoto put on spectacular match after spectacular match all weekend but I really would have liked to see them leave with the belts. Had Hamada won, it would only lend credence to my theory about the Shimmer titles only changing hands at the spring taping as to date, the singles title and the tag title have only changed hands at a spring taping. Chif, Vol. 18 April '08; The Ninjas Vol. 26, May '09; Madison, Vol. 31 April '10; 3S, Vol. 37 March '11; Nakagawa/Haze, Vol. 40 March '11. Call it apophenia if you wish, but, that looks like a pattern to me. To comment on another point you made, Cuda, there seemed to be a significant lack of promos in the even numbered volumes taped(two at best for volume 38 and 40 combined, iirc), while there were multiple promos in the odd numbered volumes. I'm kinda wondering if there will be promos placed in the DVD that just weren't shown to the live audience due to time constraints. |
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Post by gregorycameltrunk on Mar 30, 2011 15:31:50 GMT -6
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Post by nymc32986 on Mar 30, 2011 15:35:32 GMT -6
Plus I feel the Eagles/Martinez II Match was way too rushed (and even the highlights prior to the match for the DVD won't do it much justice) and should've had more emphasis on the "Mercedes gave Eagles the rub, then Eagles took the easy way to be champ and disrespected Mercedes" like that match could be good for Vol 40 and maybe in 38 & 39 play that emphasis up while also planting the seeds for Melissa to get the shot because it's no secret Mercedes was gonna be another Defense for Eagles because she's more a WSU recognized Personality which means "while you are important in SHIMMER, you don't get the belt as long as you are the Top Draw of the opposition" and the building is to Eagles/Melissa 2 at the next tapings with the title change because if Melissa loses again, I know the masses who are dying for Melissa to get the strap would be pretty pissed off. And as someone who is the "Everything has to happen for a reason" type of person when it comes to booking, Melissa/Madison II build is good, lets see it happen for the bulk of singles and tag teams maybe even do a rankings system ala ROH in it's best times and bring the sports element but make it for everybody gunning for position even your jobbers (sorry but those do exist in SHIMMER) can have a shot in getting into the title mix and getting people to care (like I did for Ariel when she was getting the push in 08) because we can clearly believe that anybody can beat anybody on any give day (sorta like WWE under Chris Kreski in the Attitude Era).
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Post by 22nijuni on Mar 30, 2011 20:40:35 GMT -6
Plus I feel the Eagles/Martinez II Match was way too rushed (and even the highlights prior to the match for the DVD won't do it much justice) and should've had more emphasis on the "Mercedes gave Eagles the rub, then Eagles took the easy way to be champ and disrespected Mercedes" like that match could be good for Vol 40 and maybe in 38 & 39 play that emphasis up while also planting the seeds for Melissa to get the shot because it's no secret Mercedes was gonna be another Defense for Eagles because she's more a WSU recognized Personality which means "while you are important in SHIMMER, you don't get the belt as long as you are the Top Draw of the opposition" and the building is to Eagles/Melissa 2 at the next tapings with the title change because if Melissa loses again, I know the masses who are dying for Melissa to get the strap would be pretty pissed off. And as someone who is the "Everything has to happen for a reason" type of person when it comes to booking, Melissa/Madison II build is good, lets see it happen for the bulk of singles and tag teams maybe even do a rankings system ala ROH in it's best times and bring the sports element but make it for everybody gunning for position even your jobbers (sorry but those do exist in SHIMMER) can have a shot in getting into the title mix and getting people to care (like I did for Ariel when she was getting the push in 08) because we can clearly believe that anybody can beat anybody on any give day (sorta like WWE under Chris Kreski in the Attitude Era). It's too bad you feel that way, but everything went great this past weekend. Thanks for the fantasy booking though. I'm sure someone may have cared. Or not. |
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Post by LardWarriorELPS on Mar 30, 2011 22:00:37 GMT -6
I'm loving Madison's subtle delve into madness. I'd love to see it become a full blown storyline with her getting herself DQ'd just to keep the belt and whatnot, and eventually the madness is what causes her to lose the title.
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Post by Evergrey06 on Mar 30, 2011 22:05:39 GMT -6
I'm loving Madison's subtle delve into madness. I'd love to see it become a full blown storyline with her getting herself DQ'd just to keep the belt and whatnot, and eventually the madness is what causes her to lose the title. I was thinking the same thing. |
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Post by LardWarriorELPS on Mar 30, 2011 22:08:40 GMT -6
Also add in her "teammates" turning on her for the Belt. We had Jessie, then Mercedes, next could be Del Rey if Dave did a Heel vs Heel match, and so on.
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Post by 22nijuni on Mar 30, 2011 22:09:15 GMT -6
Seeing her this weekend trying to keep the title, reminded me of Aja Kong in 94, holding onto the title, not wanting to physically let go of it, and after retaining it, clutching it as if it meant more than anything in the world to her. I liked it.
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Post by nymc32986 on Mar 31, 2011 5:40:43 GMT -6
Plus I feel the Eagles/Martinez II Match was way too rushed (and even the highlights prior to the match for the DVD won't do it much justice) and should've had more emphasis on the "Mercedes gave Eagles the rub, then Eagles took the easy way to be champ and disrespected Mercedes" like that match could be good for Vol 40 and maybe in 38 & 39 play that emphasis up while also planting the seeds for Melissa to get the shot because it's no secret Mercedes was gonna be another Defense for Eagles because she's more a WSU recognized Personality which means "while you are important in SHIMMER, you don't get the belt as long as you are the Top Draw of the opposition" and the building is to Eagles/Melissa 2 at the next tapings with the title change because if Melissa loses again, I know the masses who are dying for Melissa to get the strap would be pretty pissed off. And as someone who is the "Everything has to happen for a reason" type of person when it comes to booking, Melissa/Madison II build is good, lets see it happen for the bulk of singles and tag teams maybe even do a rankings system ala ROH in it's best times and bring the sports element but make it for everybody gunning for position even your jobbers (sorry but those do exist in SHIMMER) can have a shot in getting into the title mix and getting people to care (like I did for Ariel when she was getting the push in 08) because we can clearly believe that anybody can beat anybody on any give day (sorta like WWE under Chris Kreski in the Attitude Era). It's too bad you feel that way, but everything went great this past weekend. Thanks for the fantasy booking though. I'm sure someone may have cared. Or not. SHIMMER has been a great experience there's no denying it, it's just these little intangibles that if worked out, will make SHIMMER better, Case in Point Jessie McKay, goes from Vol 35 title shot, to losing to Hamada which is ok because Hamada is another top star, then is the mystery partner for Serena against the Ninjas and while she was referred to as a "Bella Twin with an aussie accent" and a "Diva" but she gets the pin, so then she loses apparently 2 straight falls to Nicole Matthews, nothing Against her, but Jessie who comes from coming up short in a title shot, to losing to top star, to getting a pin in a tag match after being revealed as a mystery partner, to losing a 2/3 to Matthews to going over on Athena, all the while Portia and Serena continue their feud which I think has been great. Jessie is just like Ariel maybe even better in being a top talent not someone who's a "one shot and done and down to mid card or tag ranks you go" It's no secret SHIMMER has been derivative of "Women Athletics" (hence the name "Women Athletes") with very little to no long term storylines, SHIMMER doesn't need convoluted and contrived angles with Reality Stars or Lesbian hypnosis, it can work "sports oriented" storylines while maintaining the incredibly athletic matches. All in all it can make even those who are pigeonholed as I hate to say it "jobbers" or those to basically rebound your top stars and don't really win a lot unless they're against others of the same class. Nobody needs to be Goldberg, but not everybody needs to be Savio Vega either. I'm not saying at all that I thought the shows sucked according to the reports, I bet the matches from an athletic standpoint were "Sugoi!" ^_^ I'm just one who likes the combination of World Class Talent, Incredible in ring work, and "pro wrestling" way of continuity and reason for matches besides the popular "Dream matches" of 2 talent in one ring for the first time and "what's gonna happen?" like when the Joshi Talent came in a year ago and faced off with other talent in the SHIMMER pool. Just my clarification |
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Post by tswdm on Mar 31, 2011 6:53:31 GMT -6
Case in Point Jessie McKay, goes from Vol 35 title shot, to losing to Hamada which is ok because Hamada is another top star, then is the mystery partner for Serena against the Ninjas and while she was referred to as a "Bella Twin with an aussie accent" and a "Diva" but she gets the pin, so then she loses apparently 2 straight falls to Nicole Matthews, nothing Against her, but Jessie who comes from coming up short in a title shot, to losing to top star, to getting a pin in a tag match after being revealed as a mystery partner, to losing a 2/3 to Matthews to going over on Athena, all the while Portia and Serena continue their feud which I think has been great. Jessie is just like Ariel maybe even better in being a top talent not someone who's a "one shot and done and down to mid card or tag ranks you go" Well, here's your problem. If you're just looking at pro-wrestling as wins/losses on paper and only judging the matches on that (not seeing how the matches played out and seeing the fight put forth by the wrestlers), you don't have a firm grasp of what you're talking about. Jessie McKay established herself as a great competitor in her singles outings with Cheerleader Melissa and Madison Eagles, even though she lost those matches. A wrestler can lose a match and come out looking great from it ("case in point," Randy Savage at WrestleMania VII, Steve Austin at WrestleMania 13, etc.). Athena lost all of her matches over the weekend and after her last match, the fans chanted her name because she gave a hell of a fight and impressed everyone busting out some nice moves. Nobody is "buried" or "jobbing" in SHIMMER. With SHIMMER being supershows of women from all over the world, there are usually like 10 main event level wrestlers on the card. Everyone has to fit in somewhere and be rotated out of the main event. It's not like WWE where there are 2 or 3 top stars at a given time. |
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Post by John Hyperion on Mar 31, 2011 7:06:46 GMT -6
SHIMMER has been a great experience there's no denying it, it's just these little intangibles that if worked out, will make SHIMMER better, Everything is an intangible to you since you haven't seen the shows. You may want to consider not posting until you do, since these were easily the best SHIMMER tapings so far and nothing you've posted about them jives with what people who were there thought. Also, there are about a billion English words to use in place of 'sugoi.' Don't be that weeaboo needlessly using Japanese words in talks with people who don't speak the language. |
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Post by royaldc on Mar 31, 2011 7:59:28 GMT -6
It's too bad you feel that way, but everything went great this past weekend. Thanks for the fantasy booking though. I'm sure someone may have cared. Or not. SHIMMER has been a great experience there's no denying it, it's just these little intangibles that if worked out, will make SHIMMER better It's probably best that you take the advice of the replies just before mine, and wait until you actually see these shows to make any comments about them. You've already made a string of posts since the shows assuming things that are incorrect about particular matches, a particular build, storylines, etc. So much of your "evaluation" here is flawed. 33 - McKay pins Matthews clean in a singles match. 34 - McKay faces Hamada and Del Rey, and wins, but pins Del Rey. 35 - McKay gets title shot against Eagles. 36 - McKay renews rivalry with Matthews in tag mach. Tenille is pinned. 37 - McKay faces Hamada again, but this time it's one on one. Hamada wins. The match still gets McKay over huge even in a loss. 38 - McKay renews rivalry with Matthews again in a tag match, as do Serena and Portia. McKay pins Matthews clean. Matthews lays her out after the match, to build to..... 39 - McKay vs. Matthews 2 out of 3 falls. It wasn't two straight falls, as you wrote. McKay pinned her in the second fall with 3 School Girl Crushes. Matthews wins the match, but again, the match quality gets both wrestlers over rather than just the person who won. 40 - McKay rebounds from 2 out of 3 falls loss by defeating another rising star in Athena. You really need to actually watch the shows if you think there was no reason for matches to be happening over these tapings. There's more storylines or athletic rivalries than ever over the past 8 DVD's. Each of the title shots have been built to and have some sort of backstory before they happen, including the Martinez one which you have complained about. I guess you missed that she was on a winning streak for a year, cutting promos about it along the way and how she's coming for Madison's title. You already determined the Von Eerie/Del Rey storyline to be "stupid" without having seen it, because it was a locker room attack and nobody else in the locker room saved Von Eerie. Ignoring that, since you hadn't seen it, you didn't know that three heels were the only people in the locker room at the time of the attack. You just jumped to a conclusion. And our clarification, from those who actually saw these shows. |
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Post by fuzzbuzz on Mar 31, 2011 14:41:30 GMT -6
Bloody hell, that sounded like a seriously good weekend and well done to everyone involved.
The terrific triumvirate of Knox & the Knights sound to be pure gold which is obviously quite fantastic. From reading the results you can see the sheer depth throughout the SHIMMER ranks and particularly pleasing was how well new-ish people seemed to be blooded in (the obvious stand-out probably being Von Eerie).
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Post by Meagan on Apr 1, 2011 12:22:50 GMT -6
This sounded like a awsome weekend as well. Sadly, I do not have money to afford these types of shows or the DVDs.
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