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Post by Starscream on May 12, 2009 20:11:28 GMT -6
I wouldn't expect these kind of slanderous comments about Danyah ("Ooops, my grandmother is in the hospital") or Madison Eagles ("Ooops, I'm too ill to wrestle"). Rebecca Knox is a girl who at age 20 or 21 had a possibly life-threatening injury. For her return to wrestling she's booked at two very hard-hitting, competitive women's companies where she's expected to deliver that type of match. If she had doubts or fears about returning and decided wrestling wasn't for her (what the blog actually said), who can really be angry? Independent wrestling doesn't exactly have retirement benefits or medical coverage if you destroy your body. 21 is a good age to evaluate the pros and cons and make a choice for the future. Wow, I agree with Jon. Wrestling fans need to understand it's not really all about us. Wrestlers have faults too except this fault was a little different because I doubt anyone bitching has gone through what Rebbecca went through.
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Post by Starscream on May 12, 2009 20:15:19 GMT -6
Just to clarify, my only issue with her is on behalf of DP - I've met the man several times, like him quite a bit, and felt badly for him that he was left hanging in such a way. But when DP says that "everything's cool" between them, that's then good enough for me. I do take issue with ANYONE saying that we should completely disregard the way she handled things due to her experiencing a "crisis", though. You can go through Hell itself, but going through Hell doesn't mean you treat your business matters in a manner that a 6 year old would. Do you really think that she was in her right frame of mind? Do you really think she was herself during her crisis. It's not just about "hell". it's about the delusions the mind sets up and how it can change you and make you do things you would have never done. Have you ever experienced a state of delusional reactions in your life because I have and I know how it feels when you can deal with it and the worst side of you comes out. It's real, buddy and I don't care what you or any other hard-ass (removed from the situation) has to say about what anyone else is going through. If you don't want someone starting "some baloney argument" with you, then don't say anything people are entitled to come back with their own opinion. If you don't want someone to respond then don't say anything at all. "I'm going to call you pov baloney but don't say anything back to me because I'm tired of it". Bullshit.
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Post by Jason on May 12, 2009 21:44:14 GMT -6
Yeah, this is a private matter between Dave Prazak and Rebecca Knox. If Mr.Prazak wants her back, and if Ms.Knox wants back, it would happen. I think it might be more like Ms.Knox coming back as an announcer or interviewer, but it might happen.
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Post by soyboy on May 12, 2009 21:47:57 GMT -6
Just to clarify, my only issue with her is on behalf of DP - I've met the man several times, like him quite a bit, and felt badly for him that he was left hanging in such a way. But when DP says that "everything's cool" between them, that's then good enough for me. I do take issue with ANYONE saying that we should completely disregard the way she handled things due to her experiencing a "crisis", though. You can go through Hell itself, but going through Hell doesn't mean you treat your business matters in a manner that a 6 year old would. Do you really think that she was in her right frame of mind? Do you really think she was herself during her crisis. It's not just about "hell". it's about the delusions the mind sets up and how it can change you and make you do things you would have never done. Have you ever experienced a state of delusional reactions in your life because I have and I know how it feels when you can deal with it and the worst side of you comes out. It's real, buddy and I don't care what you or any other hard-ass (removed from the situation) has to say about what anyone else is going through. If you don't want someone starting "some baloney argument" with you, then don't say anything people are entitled to come back with their own opinion. If you don't want someone to respond then don't say anything at all. "I'm going to call you pov baloney but don't say anything back to me because I'm tired of it". Bullshit. Mildly entertaining...
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Post by Ryan on May 12, 2009 22:37:22 GMT -6
Just to clarify, my only issue with her is on behalf of DP - I've met the man several times, like him quite a bit, and felt badly for him that he was left hanging in such a way. But when DP says that "everything's cool" between them, that's then good enough for me. I do take issue with ANYONE saying that we should completely disregard the way she handled things due to her experiencing a "crisis", though. You can go through Hell itself, but going through Hell doesn't mean you treat your business matters in a manner that a 6 year old would Do you really think that she was in her right frame of mind? Do you really think she was herself during her crisis. It's not just about "hell". it's about the delusions the mind sets up and how it can change you and make you do things you would have never done. Have you ever experienced a state of delusional reactions in your life because I have and I know how it feels when you can deal with it and the worst side of you comes out. It's real, buddy and I don't care what you or any other hard-ass (removed from the situation) has to say about what anyone else is going through. I think that you might be projecting your own experiences on Rebecca juuuuust a bit here. When was it actually confirmed that K-Nox had a "crisis" that prevented her from appearing? When was it confirmed that anything happened that would have resulted in her being remotely close to "delusional?" I'm not saying that it didn't happen (I've been known to forget things in the past), but I don't recall it. I just recall a blog post indicating that she decided that wrestling might not be for her after all.
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Post by LardWarriorELPS on May 12, 2009 23:24:35 GMT -6
Only on the internet will someone say they have no right to judge someone and call them a little bit douchey in the same sentence. As it concerns SHIMMER, she wasn't advertised to be there in April '08. Who was really? Just Wesna as I recall, but maybe there were more. Knox was going to be a surprise return. The only people who have any right to be angry are DP and AD. "Douchey" is fans thinking they're owed something that wasn't exactly promised. If DP hadn't told some fans after the fact she was scheduled to return and posted the blog in a thread for everyone to read (and apparently completely misquote) then this would be a non-issue. Now the man with the right to be angry has posted video of her advertising his shows and says she'll have an interview featured on the next DVD. I wouldn't expect these kind of slanderous comments about Danyah ("Ooops, my grandmother is in the hospital") or Madison Eagles ("Ooops, I'm too ill to wrestle"). Rebecca Knox is a girl who at age 20 or 21 had a possibly life-threatening injury. For her return to wrestling she's booked at two very hard-hitting, competitive women's companies where she's expected to deliver that type of match. If she had doubts or fears about returning and decided wrestling wasn't for her (what the blog actually said), who can really be angry? Independent wrestling doesn't exactly have retirement benefits or medical coverage if you destroy your body. 21 is a good age to evaluate the pros and cons and make a choice for the future. Once again, it's not the same. I'm talking after she had been medically cleared, and confirmed it in an interview. The douchey part is how afterwards she just made a blog in myspace and nonchalantly just said "Oh yeah, did I not tell you guys? Wrestling just ain't for me right now." After we had all been so worried about why she had skipped out on the taping.
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Post by MC LevaMark on May 12, 2009 23:37:18 GMT -6
So now that Lacey's back, does she still owe us an explanation about where she was for the past year? just curious...
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Post by Woo on May 13, 2009 1:30:46 GMT -6
Only on the internet will someone say they have no right to judge someone and call them a little bit douchey in the same sentence. As it concerns SHIMMER, she wasn't advertised to be there in April '08. Who was really? Just Wesna as I recall, but maybe there were more. Knox was going to be a surprise return. The only people who have any right to be angry are DP and AD. "Douchey" is fans thinking they're owed something that wasn't exactly promised. If DP hadn't told some fans after the fact she was scheduled to return and posted the blog in a thread for everyone to read (and apparently completely misquote) then this would be a non-issue. Now the man with the right to be angry has posted video of her advertising his shows and says she'll have an interview featured on the next DVD. I wouldn't expect these kind of slanderous comments about Danyah ("Ooops, my grandmother is in the hospital") or Madison Eagles ("Ooops, I'm too ill to wrestle"). Rebecca Knox is a girl who at age 20 or 21 had a possibly life-threatening injury. For her return to wrestling she's booked at two very hard-hitting, competitive women's companies where she's expected to deliver that type of match. If she had doubts or fears about returning and decided wrestling wasn't for her (what the blog actually said), who can really be angry? Independent wrestling doesn't exactly have retirement benefits or medical coverage if you destroy your body. 21 is a good age to evaluate the pros and cons and make a choice for the future. Once again, it's not the same. I'm talking after she had been medically cleared, and confirmed it in an interview. The douchey part is how afterwards she just made a blog in myspace and nonchalantly just said "Oh yeah, did I not tell you guys? Wrestling just ain't for me right now." After we had all been so worried about why she had skipped out on the taping. What did you want her to do? Fly out to you home with flowers and chocolate and sing Take That's 'Back For Good?' She didn't owe you anything. It's between Dave and herself.
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Post by LardWarriorELPS on May 13, 2009 2:23:11 GMT -6
Once again, it's not the same. I'm talking after she had been medically cleared, and confirmed it in an interview. The douchey part is how afterwards she just made a blog in myspace and nonchalantly just said "Oh yeah, did I not tell you guys? Wrestling just ain't for me right now." After we had all been so worried about why she had skipped out on the taping. What did you want her to do? Fly out to you home with flowers and chocolate and sing Take That's 'Back For Good?' She didn't owe you anything. It's between Dave and herself. I would have liked to have known what was going on a few weeks after she skipped out on the tapings. Waiting 6 months worrying about her, and then her saying "Oh yeah, oopsy" is what made me angry. Had she just came out in a blog a few weeks after skipping the tapings and said "Yeah wrestling just isn't for me right now" then all would have been good. But making us worry for her for 6 months and then just nonchalantly saying "Oh yeah, did I not tell you wrestling just isn't for me right now?" is what pissed a lot of people off here.
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Post by John Hyperion on May 13, 2009 2:35:15 GMT -6
Guys,
If the Shimmer Office is cool then we all should be cool, however fans were perfectly in their rights to be a bit miffed about the situation previously. If people weren't deeply personally invested in these companies and these athletes there wouldn't be any independent wrestling, and that deep personal love has a flip side to it when fans are disappointed.
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Post by Larry Otto on May 13, 2009 6:03:42 GMT -6
I would have liked to have known what was going on a few weeks after she skipped out on the tapings. Waiting 6 months worrying about her, and then her saying "Oh yeah, oopsy" is what made me angry. Had she just came out in a blog a few weeks after skipping the tapings and said "Yeah wrestling just isn't for me right now" then all would have been good. But making us worry for her for 6 months and then just nonchalantly saying "Oh yeah, did I not tell you wrestling just isn't for me right now?" is what pissed a lot of people off here. something tells me that even if she had written the blog a couple weeks after the taping, you would still be whining about it. the way i see it, it is in the past now, and she has obviously patched things up (if things ever really needed patching) with DP. i would love to see knox back as much as anyone, but as others have stated, she is also extremely young, and suffered a very serious injury. she decided to rethink her career choice, and who could honestly blame her for it. people should just be happy that she is ok now, and that she still has ties to the company. even if she isn't competing. J
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Post by Starscream on May 13, 2009 10:34:54 GMT -6
Do you really think that she was in her right frame of mind? Do you really think she was herself during her crisis. It's not just about "hell". it's about the delusions the mind sets up and how it can change you and make you do things you would have never done. Have you ever experienced a state of delusional reactions in your life because I have and I know how it feels when you can deal with it and the worst side of you comes out. It's real, buddy and I don't care what you or any other hard-ass (removed from the situation) has to say about what anyone else is going through. I think that you might be projecting your own experiences on Rebecca juuuuust a bit here. When was it actually confirmed that K-Nox had a "crisis" that prevented her from appearing? When was it confirmed that anything happened that would have resulted in her being remotely close to "delusional?" I'm not saying that it didn't happen (I've been known to forget things in the past), but I don't recall it. I just recall a blog post indicating that she decided that wrestling might not be for her after all. I'm sure experiencing that kind of injury and almost getting *everything* (not just wrestling, the ability to live a healthy life) flushed down the toilet/pissed away can turn your world upside down and confuse you. Especially if you had poured so much of yourself into wrestling at the expense of everything else.
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Post by Starscream on May 13, 2009 10:37:53 GMT -6
I have no idea why fans take things like this personally. Wrestling is a sacrifice for the fan's sake. ..at least try not to be a douche and just be happy Rebbecca wasn't hurt worse.
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Post by Ryan on May 13, 2009 10:57:48 GMT -6
I think that you might be projecting your own experiences on Rebecca juuuuust a bit here. When was it actually confirmed that K-Nox had a "crisis" that prevented her from appearing? When was it confirmed that anything happened that would have resulted in her being remotely close to "delusional?" I'm not saying that it didn't happen (I've been known to forget things in the past), but I don't recall it. I just recall a blog post indicating that she decided that wrestling might not be for her after all. I'm sure experiencing that kind of injury and almost getting *everything* (not just wrestling, the ability to live a healthy life) flushed down the toilet/pissed away can turn your world upside down and confuse you. Especially if you had poured so much of yourself into wrestling at the expense of everything else. This all happened after she was medically cleared to wrestle again and at least a year after the injury. I would hope for her sake that her head was back on relatively straight by that point, otherwise there are probably problems well beyond the injury.
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Post by prydonianrenegade on May 13, 2009 14:36:16 GMT -6
I have no idea why fans take things like this personally. Wrestling is a sacrifice for the fan's sake. ..at least try not to be a douche and just be happy Rebbecca wasn't hurt worse. At the risk of further derailing this thread off topic... There's definitely some truth in what you say, but it also cuts both ways. Just as there's a tendency for fans to "take things like this personally", there's also a tendency among fans of specific wrestlers to excuse and/or make allowances for almost any sort of behavior on their part. For anyone taking part in this discussion, I'd like to point out one detail: what is the first word in the term "professional wrestling"? That first term carries with it the expectation that those taking part will conduct themselves in a professional manner, and that means that if you're having second thoughts about returning to the ring, you don't wait until after your employer has sunk several hundred dollars into bringing you over to the United States to work to act on those second thoughts--particularly not when your potential employer runs a niche company, where as the recent discussions about the possibility of this past taping being the ONLY taping of 2009 have shown, there's very little cushion to absorb investments that have no return on them. Let's take it out of wrestling terms. Just about any other job out there, you know what happens if you don't show up when you're scheduled and don't give your boss a reason in advance why you can't make it? You don't have a job any more. And in most cases, that boss isn't particularly likely to hire you back, either. Now, does any of this make Rebecca Knox an EEEEEVIL woman? Of course not. I don't begrudge anyone for having second thoughts about whether or not the wrestling business is for them, particularly in the light of a serious injury. But that also doesn't mean that, if someone carries themselves in a manner such as she did leading up to the taping where she no-showed, that no one has a right to still be upset about it, either. Like in most things, there's a middle ground between those two extremes.
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