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Post by MC LevaMark on Oct 22, 2008 1:37:14 GMT -6
liviya was part of my entourage of 5 who attended this past Shimmer show. I feel that anyone who is going to lambast her for having an opinion that differs from the status quo is actually twice as ignorant as you claim she is. Let's call a spade a spade here, guys. We may be the Shimmer Faithful, but we're not automotons or cult members. We are not all going to think the same way on things. There have been 12 tapings over the course of the last 3 years(the tournament weekend I consider to be two tapings because it took place over two days, and then the Florida taping), sooner or later, even to the most diehard among us who believe that Dave Prazak can do no wrong when it comes to booking women's wrestling, there was going to end up being a show that was not going to live up to our oh-so-high expectations. Sadly, for me, my entourage, and it would seem more than a few others, this past weekend's show was one of those. Most come from the school of thought that states that the quality and importance of title is based on the caliber of the wrestler who holds it, or to put it another way, the wrestler holding the title should elevate the importance of the title and a title should never be put on someone as a method of elevating them in the eyes of the crowd. All one has to do is look at the Intercontinental Title reigns of Carlito and Shelton Benjamin, as well as the recent World Heavyweight Title reign of CM Punk to realize that it is not always a successful gamble to use a title as a method of getting a wrestler over. This is why this is a topic of debate. There are many among us, myself included, that think that putting the titles on Neva-lash or The Jumping Blonde Angels or whatever you want to call the team of Nevaeh and Ashley Lane, may have not been the best idea based on the premise that a brand new title put on an essentially brand new team(having only been put together within the past 10 months, which is why in retrospect, even though I was all for either the Ninjas or The Homewreckers to take it all, only The Experience had the chops to add some weight to the new titles) does not raise the stock of those titles because both the titles and the team wearing them are at basically the same prestige level. As I noted in my thoughts in parentheses, had The Experience won the titles, and then continued on their usually dominant ways as the team with the best tag record in Shimmer tag competition, then whosoever ended up finally dethroning Lexi and Malia would have truly accomplished something and have great bragging rights in addition to a pair of belts that have prestige written all over them because they would have been held by a seemingly unbeatable force. Now, even though I do disagree with the decision of who the first Shimmer tag champions are, I concede that what's done is done. Reverse decisions in pro wrestling are merely plot devices and don't happen in reality. I also concede that with the forthcoming season of Shimmer in 2009 is not yet written, and that Ashley and Naveah may end up surprising all of us who are currently critical of them and proving that the decision to put the titles on them was not a foolish one. We will just have to wait and see. My biggest disappointment with the show of course being the absence of Shark Girl As for what I was impressed by... Amber O'Neal and Cat Power were a lot of fun with their antics in their matches. Wesna/Lufisto, 'nuff said. The Death Rey/Deeb saga was pretty boss and I wasn't upset about the presence of Larry Sweeney like a great many seem to be, though I do understand why that sentiment is present among us. I think Danyah could prove to be the new Serena Deeb much like Serena is the new Nikki Roxx, starting off slowly with the crowd kinda half and half on her, and then eventually moving up the card and gaining acceptance from the crowd at large and going all the way to the main event tier. Those are my thoughts, agree or disagree with them as it is your prerogative to do so. But for goodness sakes everybody, let's try to maintain some civility around here.
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Post by Starscream on Oct 22, 2008 1:49:17 GMT -6
Okay, maybe troll is a little harsh since she had some supportive things to say as well. I said that because if you have to preface your own opinion with "people are going to call me a troll" then that's exactly what you're doing, or you wouldn't have to say that. Now if she proves me wrong and sticks around and participates rather than spew hatred and then go back into the shadows, then so be it. That's fair enough. Lord knows I've been disagreed with before, but putting out blatantly false information like how NOBODY cared about Ashley and Nevaeh is something else entirely. I guess I must have imagined all the popping for their double teams, or the big Ashley chant when she was in trouble, or the jubilation when they won the titles. Or the support that has been shown for them before, not just among the general fanbase but here on the boards. Or how she disdainfully referred to them as the blonde whose head is too big for her body and the other blonde whose name she couldn't remember? You're damn right I'm going to come down hard on that. I would expect the same if I were to say something similar. Fortunately, I have more respect for the women athletes of SHIMMER than that. It reminds me of a line from Scrubs, and yes, everything in life can be referred to something from that show for guidance: Laverne: Are you aware that you are in everybody's way? JD: In EVERYBODY'S way, Laverne? Or in YOUR way? Think about it. You'll have to help me out with this one. What "other situations" are you referring to where people who were at a show talked down to someone who couldn't go? There have been lots of offhand comments in this thread and other threads; I don't have specific examples because I'm not histronic w/ a need for memorization but I know what I read. Pretty similar to your folkloric posts; lambasting is a good choice of words. I don't understand why she has to stick around to prove something to you- you're not the law. Not everyone has the same idea about being a member of the message board as you do. If she wants to the member function to voice her frustration, she has a right and she doesn't HAVE to say ANYTHING ELSE and that's fine because what weight does post count/frequency of posts hold on the validity of someone's opinion? I think you're taking her euphenisms too seriously. It's not like she went as far as another poster and said they weren't "good enough".
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Post by nykk on Oct 22, 2008 1:53:54 GMT -6
I do agree with this. Amber's going to open some eyes I think, when these finally hit DVD. CAT POWER was great, and could be one who breaks out from the pack in the singles division. I really like Danyah, but for Alanis Morisette's sake the singles division needs some heels and I think she would be a perfect candidate for a heel turn. Serena is the new Nikki Roxx, as the crowd was solidly behind her all night and it looks like we have our next homegrown SHIMMER star.
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Post by nykk on Oct 22, 2008 2:20:13 GMT -6
I never said she HAD to prove anything... maybe it would prove it to me, but I don't claim to speak for the entire board and I obviously don't, so it's her prerogative, and according to her she doesn't care what people think of her anyway. To me, post count doesn't matter as much as a well thought out opinion because some people here who have high post counts have said some pretty idiotic things, myself included definitely. I don't want that to be what you've gleaned from my posts.
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Post by Starscream on Oct 22, 2008 2:52:34 GMT -6
Of course, I don't think you're idiotic or anything like that. Both of us have been here since 2005 and are just now getting around 600-700 posts.
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Post by nykk on Oct 22, 2008 2:56:39 GMT -6
Technically, 2006 for me. I registered in 2005, but don't think I posted or even looked at the board much for a whole year.
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Post by casey on Oct 22, 2008 6:02:24 GMT -6
I just disagree when people use terms like "everyone" or Nobody" and then reverts to saying shes entitled to "her opinion" in her rebutal, while in the original post she was interjecting and assumed that she knew everyone elses thoughts. I actually had a misunderstanding with Nykk about that sorta thing when I first started on here. But, oh well it was probably time for another own of them. Im tired of explaning why it's not a major crisis to put the titles on the jumping blonde angels. Theres half a dozen good arguments for any one of the teams in the hunt to be the champions, and I dont think Shimmer would be hurt if they put the titles on any of them. So your team lost. I initially thought it was just "Sulfuric Whatever" the guy with two signature photos, with a comeback for being kicked off. But Liviya was right on a couple of notes, the girls could look a little more professional, but then to their credit, not everyone is pulling in paychecks where to can keep buying new gear all the time and bra straps are just going to show up sometimes, you ever wonder why you dont see bra straps in WWE? Think about it But it didnt look like they bought their gear from K-Mart on the drive up either so its not all bad.
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Post by Starscream on Oct 22, 2008 7:24:36 GMT -6
I just disagree when people use terms like "everyone" or Nobody" and then reverts to saying shes entitled to "her opinion" in her rebutal, while in the original post she was interjecting and assumed that she knew everyone elses thoughts. I actually had a misunderstanding with Nykk about that sorta thing when I first started on here. But, oh well it was probably time for another own of them. Im tired of explaning why it's not a major crisis to put the titles on the jumping blonde angels. Theres half a dozen good arguments for any one of the teams in the hunt to be the champions, and I dont think Shimmer would be hurt if they put the titles on any of them. So your team lost. I initially thought it was just "Sulfuric Whatever" the guy with two signature photos, with a comeback for being kicked off. But Liviya was right on a couple of notes, the girls could look a little more professional, but then to their credit, not everyone is pulling in paychecks where to can keep buying new gear all the time and bra straps are just going to show up sometimes, you ever wonder why you dont see bra straps in WWE? Think about it But it didnt look like they bought their gear from K-Mart on the drive up either so its not all bad. You can get cups and cami sewn into basically anything. Just sayin' I mean, a lot of the gear is obviously custom and throwing cups or camisoles in there isn't that much of a stretch (and wrestling boots/wrestling shoes.. ..omigod, that's sometimes the most expensive part of the outfit and not one wrestler doesn't have them). ...I think liviya really meant the layering due to ring attire not having support sewn in. Actually quite a few wrestlers have support sewn into their costumes so "cost" really isn't an issue. And also. ...people have different perceptions even about the way they say things so attacking stream of consciousness is useless.
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Post by liviya on Oct 22, 2008 7:29:32 GMT -6
Okay, maybe troll is a little harsh since she had some supportive things to say as well. I said that because if you have to preface your own opinion with "people are going to call me a troll" then that's exactly what you're doing, or you wouldn't have to say that. Now if she proves me wrong and sticks around and participates rather than spew hatred and then go back into the shadows, then so be it. That's fair enough. Did you try to stop and think that the reason I started my post the way I did is because I have been lurking on the boards and have seen the way people are treated for having an opinion that isn't all worshiping? I never said, "Hey I'm a troll" I said, "Hey I know I have a different opinion and there will be some people on this board that will call me a troll and I fully expect it so bring it on". I most likely won't be a full time participant of this board. I have a rather busy schedule to deal with already without adding posting to another message board to it. I thought this board would be the appropriate place for me to voice my opinions for Dave Prazac to see them. And you know what, I am the center of my Universe. I'm the one that makes my decision on if I spend the time and money to travel to a Shimmer show and buy merchandise and DVDs. And I'm the one that decides if I continue to extol the greatness of Shimmer on three other message boards and to numerous friends across the world. And like I said before, I find it really sad that I can't tell them all that this was the best Shimmer show ever.
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Post by soyboy on Oct 22, 2008 7:29:43 GMT -6
Kudos to Soyboy for riding in the trunk so that I only had to make one trip from MA's to the Rodeway. Afterparties, Yay! I'll have that sig pic up soon. P.S. I'm pretty sure I found Lacey in there...
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Post by liviya on Oct 22, 2008 7:48:39 GMT -6
liviya was part of my entourage of 5 who attended this past Shimmer show. I feel that anyone who is going to lambaste her for having an opinion that differs from the status quo is actually twice as ignorant as you claim she is. Thanks MC. You know better than anybody that me and status quo just don't mix. lol BTW, LOVE the graphics in your sig and avatar. Wherever did you find someone brilliant enough to make those for you? hehehehe
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Post by liviya on Oct 22, 2008 7:58:06 GMT -6
I just disagree when people use terms like "everyone" or Nobody" and then reverts to saying shes entitled to "her opinion" in her rebutal, while in the original post she was interjecting and assumed that she knew everyone elses thoughts. I actually had a misunderstanding with Nykk about that sorta thing when I first started on here. But, oh well it was probably time for another own of them. Im tired of explaning why it's not a major crisis to put the titles on the jumping blonde angels. Theres half a dozen good arguments for any one of the teams in the hunt to be the champions, and I dont think Shimmer would be hurt if they put the titles on any of them. So your team lost. I initially thought it was just "Sulfuric Whatever" the guy with two signature photos, with a comeback for being kicked off. But Liviya was right on a couple of notes, the girls could look a little more professional, but then to their credit, not everyone is pulling in paychecks where to can keep buying new gear all the time and bra straps are just going to show up sometimes, you ever wonder why you dont see bra straps in WWE? Think about it But it didnt look like they bought their gear from K-Mart on the drive up either so its not all bad. You can get cups and cami sewn into basically anything. Just sayin' I mean, a lot of the gear is obviously custom and throwing cups or camisoles in there isn't that much of a stretch (and wrestling boots/wrestling shoes.. ..omigod, that's sometimes the most expensive part of the outfit and not one wrestler doesn't have them). ...I think liviya really meant the layering due to ring attire not having support sewn in. Actually quite a few wrestlers have support sewn into their costumes so "cost" really isn't an issue. And also. ...people have different perceptions even about the way they say things so attacking stream of consciousness is useless. the layering was part of it, and I do understand the cost aspect. But does it cost anything at all to tuck that little white tag in or to cut it off? I saw that on at least 3 of the women. The other part I thought looked cheap for ring gear was how some of the outfits quite obviously didn't fit. It doesn't cost any more to buy clothes the next size bigger. It's a total dstraction for me if during a match a wrestler is constantly pulling up her pants or pulling down her shirt. Maybe it's just a pet peeve of mine. Kind of like a wrestler that fiddles with their hair when they are supposed to be in a hold. To me it comes across as blatant no selling of what is happening in the match.
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Post by SirRobin on Oct 22, 2008 9:19:45 GMT -6
Maybe "Spot the Bra-strap" can be part of a Shimmer drinking game like it was for Buffy years ago
I'd play that
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Post by haysihawk on Oct 22, 2008 16:56:34 GMT -6
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, someone who claims to be a big SHIMMER fan complaining about bra straps and tight clothes, while purposefully acting like she can't take the time to learn the names of two of the top newcomers during the past year worth of SHIMMER events is just being disrespectful to the wrestlers (especially Ashley and Nevaeh). They've worked hard for their spots. They deserve better.
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Post by leehamilton on Oct 22, 2008 17:34:04 GMT -6
n't an issue. It's a total dstraction for me if during a match a wrestler is constantly pulling up her pants or pulling down her shirt. Maybe it's just a pet peeve of mine. I don't like it when a wrestler pulls up their trunks after bumping or doing anything on the defensive, kind've goes against the whole mimicking a fight thing that is wrestling. Who knows though, maybe next afterparty Soyboy will beat me up, and during so, I'll be preoccupied with my shirt.
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