Post by gregorycameltrunk on Aug 29, 2011 12:59:26 GMT -6
Hoping this thread is allowed. If not, my apologies, and please delete.
I figured I would start this as a tribute to some of the great European female wrestlers, both past and present, who some fans on this forum may not be familiar with.
I know a few of the SHIMMER roster - Portia Perez, Allison Danger, Cheerleader Melissa - have made numerous appearances in Europe over the years and Danger, in particular, greatly respects the Europen style.
Of course Shimmer has also played host to great European wrestlers like Nikita, Rebecca Knox, Jetta, Eden Black, Wesna Busic and, of course, the Knight Dynasty.
So, I figured I'd start with this - highlights of a classic match from the late 1980s/early 1990's featuring Nikki Munroe and Tracey Kemp v the legendary Klondyke Kate and Dave 'Fit' Finlay's [now ex] wife, the great Princess Paula.
Post by gregorycameltrunk on Aug 30, 2011 11:40:51 GMT -6
In a great match from her original European tour in early 2007, a contest fought under traditional British rules - 6, 3 minute rounds: two falls, two submissions or one knockout - it's Allison Danger v Sweet Saraya.
In an interview a few days later, Danger said that Saraya 'beat the s*** out of her'.
Post by prowrestlingeve on Aug 30, 2011 12:25:08 GMT -6
Going off topic slightly based on the title of the thread, I remember having a chat with Wesna, Blue Nikita and a few others a few years back where we discussed the terminology used with regards to the definition of females in the ring. We all agreed we hated the term 'ladies'. Wesna said her hatred of the word stemmed from the fact that she felt it made you think of 'old ladies and the old style' as opposed to what she and her fellow comrades were trying to do ie move away from the 'older' style that had more emphasis on moves that would have more of a sexual connotation such as leg and body scissors, hair pulls, scratching 'tombstone' style positioning which a lot of the older European women's wrestling was based on (as it was elsewhere). In fact the term ladies was often used because it was felt that would make people think of the girls in a more 'glamorous' way. Interested to hear other peoples thoughts (if there any).
Post by gregorycameltrunk on Aug 30, 2011 15:25:01 GMT -6
Y'know, I'd never even really thought about it. I suppose I've always just associated the word with British womens wrestling. I'd genuinely never even considered it had a negative, or sexual, connotation.
I mean, if I ever say 'womens wrestling' to most non-fans they generally think mud wrestling, bikinis, wedgies, spanking etc. anyway, sadly.
I'd say, in this context, the sexual connotation comes from the word 'wrestling' rather than 'lady' or 'woman', due to wrestling being two or more people in very close bodily contact, making noises and sweating.
Sadly, I think there will always be a general consensus that womens wrestling is more titillation than serious competition.
Post by gregorycameltrunk on Aug 30, 2011 15:28:26 GMT -6
I mean, you only need to look at the youtube comments that accompany the Sweet Saraya/Allison Danger match I posted to see that there will always be people who objectify womens wrestlers and refuse to take them seriously.
Might have drifted into a whole new discussion there though.
Post by Duke of Bridgewater on Aug 31, 2011 10:15:25 GMT -6
I remember watching Gaby Lailee vs Klondyke Kate on Eurosport about 20 years ago. I also remember German commentator Peter William having trouble to find the right words whenever there was a womens match. As a gentleman, he always tried to find kind words. But he was so old-style. Womens wrestling didn't really fit into his world. (He was also booker for Otto Wanz' CWA. I don't know if they had womens matches at some point.)