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Post by frankp316 on Jul 7, 2009 5:38:36 GMT -6
There is another way he could be referring to the way TNA is looking out for their own interest. Such as: TNA has commitments to sponsors/advertisers and video game deals involving their roster. So, I understand why they would want to be able to negotiate contracts involving the use of the name. Prazak can elaborate on the current booking routes. But, formerly TNA talent was booked out through TNA they even had a website devoted to inquiries. Skim much? That's not what the discussion was about, ya dope. Fans here are pissed because Cheerleader Melissa is going to be called Melissa Flash because TNA wants the exclusive rights to her name though the contract is not exclusive. They should be pissed because it's unreasonable. All your blah blah blah just proves you use a lot of words to say nothing and you don't know what you're talking about. STFU. You're a fool.
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Post by tswdm on Jul 7, 2009 6:59:39 GMT -6
I don't see why anyone would be pissed she won't be called Cheerleader Melissa when she's been using a different name in TNA for 2 years. I just have to laugh at how bad the TNA names have been. I mean really: "Wilde," "Rayne," "Holliday," To be honest, I'm amazed they didn't modify the spelling to something like "Melissa Phlash."
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Post by frankp316 on Jul 7, 2009 10:32:05 GMT -6
Because she was under a mask. We know who is under the mask but theoretically, fans aren't supposed to identify that character with Melissa. TNA isn't going to say that Melissa Flash used to be Raesha Saeed. Without the mask, fans will and should identify her as Cheerleader Melissa, not Melissa Flash. That's why fans are pissed. It makes TNA look like they're pissing all over Melissa's hard work in establishing the Cheerleader character over the past several years and their contracts aren't exclusive.
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Post by tswdm on Jul 7, 2009 10:44:16 GMT -6
Rain and Nikki Roxx had established their names over several years before TNA changed their identities too. They were trained by famous names like Eddie Sharkey and Killer Kowalski. They didn't wear masks. Lisa Marie established the Victoria name for a comparable amount of time in WWE and that got changed too (though they did call her Victoria in her TNA debut). Melissa isn't some special case to be surprised or pissed about.
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Post by savior on Jul 7, 2009 10:55:31 GMT -6
] ya dope. All your blah blah blah just proves you use a lot of words to say nothing and you don't know what you're talking about. STFU. You're a fool. Please abide by these rules: -No flaming, name calling or other disruptive activity. "Say nothing..." There are plenty of reasons TNA needs the rights to the names. If the TNA money was so great for these established stars why do you see so many of them with a new look and a new name on TNA's TV? Not that each one of them was working 5 nights a week before Orlando. But, you can see where they would want the regular TNA payday. It's not like Melissa or anyone else is going to be able to make their own DVD inclusive of their TNA matches. Seems it would be a much better shake to let a nationally televised company take a share of the profits and improve your slice of the market should you ever leave. Its actually a simple process for me to explain things. But, its not my job to make sure you understand those things while incorporating some trash talking from your mobile command. TNA needs to be able to negotiate on behalf of its performers. As I said, Dave can clarify on whether he must go through TNA to book their talent. But, in years past this has been the case. TNA may not exclusively promote these stars and they may perform elsewhere like... oh lets say WWE stars appearing in Ring of Honor while under WWE contract. I am not sure why any of you would be getting all flustered about a Cheerleader Melissa name change. This happened several years ago. She is Raisha on TV. Stop living in the past. This nonsensical whim about "established" independent names not appearing for TNA are lies. I listed people in a comedic tone. However, TNA has not signed people and then stripped them of their ability to perform with this gimmick when they leave TNA (i.e. Dudley Boys/Team 3D). Jon tells me he is going to post a reply as well. So, when he lists people like Kong having a name change in TNA then you can rehash the crying towel. What are you expecting to happen, some smug look on a Cheerleader's face as she walks down and sees a 6-sided ring and has a stroke trying to mentally cope with this change? These contracts are the way wrestling has been and will be. If the name really carried the kind of weight you are implying then they do whatever possible to sign the person. Including means like: Hawk and Animal's deals where they leased their names, a limited schedule, control of their character, etc. These are all applicable to the drawing power of "establishing" your name. Having watched TNA from its first show I might have seen a few examples which contrast with these supposed TNA norms. Melissa has been signed with TNA for a good bit, long enough for other divas to come and go. If she really had troubles with them don't you think she'd have moved on. If she got over it... why haven't you. Still real to you? -- Why am I thinking TNA refers to Jethro as a former TNA competitor, Kevin Nash as being Oz/Diesel, or Brother Runt as Spike Dudley. Commentating accidents? or is it because TNA acknowledges the entire history of its competitors unless it conflicts with current roster members like with Suicide/Daniels. Saying Melissa isn't supposed to be associated with the girl under the mask is ridiculous. TNA fans know all about Curry Man/Daniels. Why wouldn't they know about Melissa? Are you implying with this that she isn't the established person you mentioned earlier? Melissa Flash can't be identified with? Maybe they don't want the Cheerleader fluff for their TV because knockouts and cheerleaders only mix when people get dropped on accident. Could it be Ken Anderson won't be associated with Mr Kennedy? How do you relate to Josie, Wilde, Roxxi, and so forth without them using the names you are so familiar with? Has anyone seen the Prototype in the last 7 years, I can't seem to find him. How about Punisher Dice Morgan? I can't ever seem to get a search result for a tag team video of Suicide/Daniels think the TNA fans could tell me why? I do. Silly that I am looking here to trust the fans while you would like to decide what's best for them and will not.
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Post by frankp316 on Jul 7, 2009 11:16:27 GMT -6
Rain and Nikki Roxx had established their names over several years before TNA changed their identities too. They were trained by famous names like Eddie Sharkey and Killer Kowalski. They didn't wear masks. Lisa Marie established the Victoria name for a comparable amount of time in WWE and that got changed too (though they did call her Victoria in her TNA debut). Melissa isn't some special case to be surprised or pissed about. Got news for you. Fans were pissed about what they did to Nikki and they shouldn't have done it to her either. And the characters TNA gave her sucked so they would have been better off calling her Nikki Roxx because it was a proven success. TNA is out to lunch for changing a character name just so they can own the rights. Same with Amazing Kong. It makes TNA look pathetic. Rain doesn't count. She was never under contract to TNA and they didn't intend Payton Banks to be a long term character. They can't use the Victoria name as it is owned by the WWE. That's understandable. Don't care much for the spider thing though.
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Post by tswdm on Jul 7, 2009 11:29:58 GMT -6
Cheerleader Melissa goes without a last name everywhere she wrestles. Be happy she's at least still going by the first name Melissa. I can accept something that's a proper English spelling of a word like "Flash" as a last name better than Wilde, Rayne, etc.
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Post by Woo on Jul 7, 2009 11:39:36 GMT -6
Damn those TNA bastards for giving Melissa a chance to wrestle on TV, get some great exposure and paying her for doing it. Damn them for pissing all over her!
As for "Nikki Roxx" being a proven success..... I don't mean to sound disrespectful but it was a success on the independent scene which to TNA, WWE and 90% of fans doesn't mean much. Not all big names on the indies can translate their success onto the national stage (though I think Roxx could have, either as Nikki or the great 'hardcore Knockout' character they gave her).
People keep saying that TNA lets Raven, Sabu and co keep their names and the reason that is is because they are Raven and Sabu and they are/were draws. If TNA thinks they can make a lot of money by letting those wrestlers use their stage names they will allow it.
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Post by tswdm on Jul 7, 2009 12:04:45 GMT -6
Nikki Roxx is a good name for wrestling though. Her name tells you that she rocks. It's easy to start chants with or put onto t-shirts. Roxxi Laveaux is a **** name that you can't really do much with. As for the proven success Frank mentions, the independent scene and developmental territories are the testing ground for everyone you see come to TNA or WWE. WWE has FCW and TNA has PTW and other places where their future stars get their matches taped. You don't think TNA signed these people like Samoa Joe without knowing about their independent popularity, do you? Surely Scott D'amore was aware of Nikki Roxx on the independent scene and saw Nikki Roxx as a very over personality in SHIMMER with everyone in the Eagles Club yelling "Roxx!" for her ring introductions. It was something that was already working, but they decided to start from scratch with a new character and name.
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Post by John Hyperion on Jul 7, 2009 17:40:36 GMT -6
Damn those TNA bastards for giving Melissa a chance to wrestle on TV, get some great exposure and paying her for doing it. Damn them for pissing all over her! Maybe some fans would prefer if TNA put on a show they actually wanted to watch as well as paying the wrestlers? I mean, you generally have to pay wrestlers if you're a wrestling company, it's not uncommon. It's as basic as this: TNA doesn't even know when to rip off the hard work of other people. They are that clueless. Even WWE knew not to screw with CM Punk. If it takes you a year to figure out that Cheerleader Melissa should be wrestling, and you even manage to cock that up a bit, I don't know why I should bother as a fan. You know nothing about entertainment or wrestling, or if you do you just don't care to use it. And this is just one example of countless ones. We could go all the way back to "Baby Bear" Alex Shelley, how many years did it take them to figure out that they should just let him do him? Anyway, I already regret talking about TNA but I think it's rather odd to bag on people for showing reasonable frustration with TNA's policies. Thankfully we have our true alternatives. However, I will watch TNA if they manage to snag Palin after she's done her reality show. That would be one way to save yet another terrible idea.
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Post by cr78 on Jul 8, 2009 12:19:22 GMT -6
I'm surprised that in all of that nobody got really wound up about the horrible Daffney angle they were using before.
At least now it's good to see the real Daffney (real good infact!)
TNA have so many great talents available to them....which they usually waste. I just hope they're going to finally use Melissa permanently and push her now, and here's hoping they use Sarah Stock well too (really don't dig Sarita at all myself either.)
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Post by machoman on Jul 8, 2009 15:35:07 GMT -6
I see in another thread that Christy Hemme will participate in a mixed tag match on 7/31. Does anyone know the status of Christy in TNA? Is she 100% healthy?
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Post by Woo on Jul 8, 2009 15:59:54 GMT -6
Not sure how healty Christy is. I didn't even know she's back from her serious injury. I hope she is better as she's very likeable. I think they were probably ready to give her the belt before her injury.
Well TNA isn't for everyone. If you don't like it oh well, there are plenty more feds out there for you. You don't like TNA and I don't like Raw so I just don't bother with it. Doesn't mean either show is bad, just that it's not for me/you.
Saying that TNA is pissing all over Melissa's career by changing her name is a complete overreaction. She'll gain much more that she'll lose by being on TV.
Yes the WWE made the right call by letting CM Punk wrestle as CM Punk, but they don't get it right 100% either.
That Gov. angle did annoy me as I didn't think it would lead anywhere and was just a big waste of Daffney. I should have known better.
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Post by cr78 on Jul 8, 2009 16:04:58 GMT -6
Definitely, I love Daffney being herself although I wish they'd give her more of a push.
What's everyone's opinions on Angelina Love and Velvet Sky anyway? I think they're nowhere near as accomplished in the ring but obviously they both have the looks. Well saying that I think Love is clearly the more experienced of the two but Sky does seem to be working hard and improving. I'm interested to see what people here think of them compared to some of the more experienced workers like Melissa, Daffney etc.
I had to feel really sorry for Taylor Wilde back at Lockdown when Love knocked herself silly. The pin ended up looking awful but it was a difficult position to be in! It's no wonder Taylor panicked when she realised Love wasn't kicking out!
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Post by Woo on Jul 8, 2009 16:12:45 GMT -6
I don't like Love or Sky as wrestlers (I don't even think Love is remotely attractive), but it really does not matter at all. Their gimmick is gold and they play their parts to perfection. Even their entrance music is fantastic (I always find myself pumping a fist into the air and cheering whenever I hear it...... no idea why.... I just like their theme tune I guess). They really need to create a tag team belt for the BP to hold.
Behind Daffney and Kong they are my favourite knockouts ('m not counting Melissa or Sarita yet until they debut.) Sojo is the second most annoying woman in the world, behind ODB.... I didn't mind her that much as Josie but I hate her skanky trashy look in TNA.
Tara is great, but thus far her TNA run has been very underwhelming... As for TNA's golden girl Taylor Wilde..... I like her but she has zero personality and I don't think she has ever won a single match without a roll-up.
As for Daffney getting a bigger push I'm not sure what they can do with her at the moment. Not signing Raven to a full time contract again was a stupid move as he is one of the greatest promo men in the world and added so much to that stable. I think that with this Stevie vs Abyss angle still going on Daffney and Wilde are still kind of tied up in it.
Hopefully they will eventually move Daffney onto a feud with Kong (once she's done with Tara). That could be very interesting and she could also be feuded with Tara very easily, but for the next few weeks I don't know what she can do besides fighting Taylor...
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