Post by wolverinex23 on Dec 20, 2008 15:30:49 GMT -6
well the WWE divas have talent..most of them..they are just misused..a lot. Kelly Kelly is improving..but she has a lot to do before beeing good.MAryse is interesting too...and i like her gimmick.Unlike all of u i like Maria...at one time she showed improvments then for some reason she went downhill..kinda like Candice.I am still watching for Nattie,Beth and Mickie James...but the "young" ones are too watch..i do hope some of them leave WWE(if they are really interested in wrestling)
Gail Kim has signed. She's traveling with the WWE. They just haven't debuted her yet. Whether it's Kelly Kelly or any of the other models, the bottom line is the WWE shouldn't be booking them over trained wrestlers. It's as simple as that. They're all similar because most of them pick up the training to a point and then they plateau and they're never going to be any better. There are different levels of proficiency. Maria is terrible and shouldn't be a wrestler. Kelly Kelly is good at standing around smiling and getting beat up. As we saw last week, she can't act either. It's par for the course for the WWE to do everything ass backwards. They have her winning matches with flash pins which means they know she's not good. At this stage of her wrestling career, she shouldn't be winning matches. She's not credible.
Post by teamblondagefan on Dec 20, 2008 19:21:48 GMT -6
I think WWE has quite a good roster. Am I the only one who thinks Jillian is a bit like Molly Holly? I mean, everytime I watch her she just reminds me so much of her, she moves the same, has kind of the same moveset, the only difference is one is natural and one is...yeah.
Last time I watched WWE it was when Candice returned. WWE might have some non-wrestlers under contract but these days the women are treated with more respect on screen than at any other time I can think of in WWE history. I understand that WWE is a world where male/female there doesn't have to be any logic behind who wins/losses based on talent. It's always been like that since Vince took over. Vince has a character in mind(albeit a simple stereotype mostly) and if that character is a hero who bears more in common with a comic book character than an athlete then this will be the deciding factor on how a wrestler(superstar) will be used.
TNA... they have no clue what they are doing. I find it funny how on the last Impact I watched they had re edited that Knockout ad from when the knockouts were great. Now the ad has extra shots of provocative poses and gestures. They look more like Divas than the warrior knockouts they were when the division stated.
WWE is so schizophrenic when it comes to its women. Some days, they market them as serious wrestlers and book them in decent matches. Others . . . well, others, they have the Santa's Little Helper match where the women prance around in bras and frilly skirts, while I look at them in horror and disgust.
I'm worried about the Santa's Workshop match on Impact next week. I've heard it's basically Santa's Little Helper, though . . . how can it be with Kong and "Saeed"?
WWE is like that with their male wrestlers as well. One week they are serious the next a comedy act.
I don't think TNA are any better than WWE in regards to the treatment of Women in general. I find that TNA tends to have some misogynist writing shoehorned into segments and promos. I don't see that in WWE these days.
Post by Digestive Ceremony on Dec 20, 2008 22:31:58 GMT -6
To say that Kelly Kelly has come a long way isn't saying much. Consider what she came from. She started out as Mike Knox's stripper girlfriend. Performing a few arm drags and a dropkick would be an improvement from that. So, yes, she's better than she was a year ago, but that still doesn't mean I don't turn on Monday Night Football when I hear her entrance music.
Could you guys help me, I've heard Jillian has either trained or at least advised a least a few wrestlers to wrestling schools, I tried looking her name on the internet. Couldn't find a thing, but I think reading on others that said she at least advised some female wrestlers.
I don't think Kelly Kelly is as bad as you're saying. She was at OVW with Serena Deeb and she puts forth effort to be a wrestler more now, rather than just coming out for Diva contests or dancing.
Except Serena Deeb trained to be a wrestler at OVW on her own dime. And Kelly Kelly was an untrained model spotted by Johnny Ace in a swimsuit catalog and now she has to try and get in training while traveling on the road. In addition, she has no personality. She's interchangable with any of the other untrained models and history tells us that she isn't good in the ring now and she'll never be good and the WWE knows that. She's in the WWE to do Playboy and then maybe they'll ditch her.
Post by Acid Reign Again on Dec 21, 2008 11:04:34 GMT -6
Ya know...the Divas have gtotten a little better to watch now that they've cut out everything to be "kid-friendly"....still doesn't make me like their booking more....What they need to do in my opinion (if they want a credible division circa 2003) is... 1. Put Natalya and Victoria on RAW since they've been fodder for a long time.
2. Put Candice and Layla on SD and have them join Maryse's troop.
3. Then have some of those model-wrestlers in FCW that's been buzzing around put oan SD instead of RAW and have them heel and face accordingly. Along with Kelly b/c they're more on her level.
4. Then put Gail and maybe another good indy or two into the RAW fray...
You have ur good RAW women's division and the ok diva division of SD...
Your wishful thinking doesn't take into consideration that the WWE prefers to have veteran wrestlers job to the models so at least the wrestler can carry the model to a halfway decent match and the wrestler still jobs. That's what Jillian Hall has been doing from the moment they took that thing off her face. They don't understand that just winning a match doesn't make that model a credible wrestler. When they put two models in a match, it's always a train wreck. They vow never to do that again but they have short memories. Rumour is that Gail Kim will be on Smackdown. There are also rumours that Victoria plans to retire soon because of the recent death of Steve Bradley, a guy she used to valet for in OVW. She's in her late 30s now so maybe it's time to go.